>> ^Bruti79:

Dancing Hadouken at 1:02
this also needs the happy tag, because this is awesome!


*happy

>> ^Payback:

@<a rel="nofollow" href="http://videosift.com/member/rychan" title="member since June 20th, 2007" class="profilelink">rychan
I wasn't trying to compare the crimes but rather the enforcement mechanisms -- the idea that because a reasonable person wouldn't do it, we don't need law enforcement of it. That's clearly not a compelling argument.
Child abuse is obviously terrible. So is heroin use, though. It kills 100,000 people every year...
The point I was trying to make is, he wasn't saying there should be no laws. He even mentioned that even the 1st amendment has rules, that you can't injure or defame others. He believes that your personal choices should be your own.
If someone injures another, like your child abuse analogy, then he believes there SHOULD be consequences and laws. If your heroin junkie breaks into someone's home to steal money, then he should go to jail for burglary, not being an addict. If he holds a knife to your kid's throat to get their lunch money, he should be jailed for assault with deadly weapon, not because he has a used needle in his back pocket.


How is polling the audience supporting that argument? He was making two arguments (at least), one of which was the "reasonable person" argument which I think is baloney. You could apply the same argument to a horrible crime like child abuse.

His _other_ argument which you highlight -- the right to personal freedom -- is much more persuasive. I agree it is THE fundamental argument on this topic, and nobody should believe that it's a slam dunk argument either way.

I think entr0py's argument is compelling. Drugs like heroin are an overly tempting way to ruin your life. It's not a matter of intelligence or education -- one of the most interesting anti-smoking studies found that teenagers actually OVERestimate the danger of smoking. But they still do it, anyway. Virtually everyone who smokes started as a teenager. People simply do stupid things which are against their self interests and society's interest. So I don't want to see heroin regulated the way cigarettes are. That's not sufficient. Anyway, this is the "should government protect you from yourself" argument which some people find repugnant. I take it you are one of them. You don't care if 15% of every high school class dies from heroin abuse because on their 18th birthday they get access to plentiful, cheap heroin. I'm not saying that would be the case, I'm just saying that a strict believer in personal freedom would be fine with this.

Also I think we should worry about preventing crime, not punishing it. Yes, we could offer a young mother lots of heroin and wait until her child neglect becomes actionable by the state, but why let a family be ruined? You're right, her actions would snowball to the point of being illegal without making the drug itself illegal. That doesn't really reassure me much.

Maybe such problems wouldn't be widespread if all drugs were legalized. But they're already fairly common, and I don't see how legalizing everything would make them rarer.

Are you really OK with living next door to a house full of heroin addicts? having them offer your children heroin? Watching them spiral in to filth while they lose self control? Seeing their children show up at the bus stop unwashed and starving? And having the police tell you "Well, they haven't done anything illegal yet. Clearly this situation will crash and burn shortly, but we should definitely stand at the sidelines and watch. We wouldn't want to infringe on anyone's personal freedoms". Or maybe child services is more on the ball and the children end up in state custody sooner rather than later, so it's a happy ending? So maybe children and parents aren't allowed to use these drugs but other people can? And maybe nobody who operates heavy machinery? And certainly not schoolteachers.

It just seems like a useless exercise to me to try to give people the freedom to use a drug like heroin when it will only cause terrible repercussions.

>> ^BoneRemake:

@Truckchase
No.
You cannot.
hope that answers your sincere question.


Damnit! Thank the gods for my smartphone, I've been trolling the mall for 8 hrs now. I wrote a sweet song I was gonna perform:

<autotune>

1 pm, wakin up in the shelter;
gotta get out before someone steals my cart
eatin cereal that I found in the garbage;
now that's pretty much the top of my day. tickin on and on everyone's drinkin!
gotta get down to the bus stop
gotta beg for money

I see my friends!
kickin in the alley *yeah!*
kickin on the cardboard *yeah!*
gotta make my mind up, who will share some booze?

<chorus>
it's thursday, or friday;
maybe wednesday or sunday....
not really sure but for me it's a -
weekend, weekend.

tuesday, monday;
can't recall the other day
everybody's lookin forward to the
soup line, soup line.

loiterin', loiterin' *cops*!
loiterin', loiterin' *run*!

run
run
run
run

lookin forward to this box wine.

</autotune>

My invisible pet dog "extreme Earl" wrote that last part. He'll rap in the final cut.

There will always be people who want to ride fast and we can't change that. Just like there will be people who always want to own guns, or drink alcohol, or whatever.

The only thing we can hope for is that people do it in the safest way possible.

Now I know not everyone that drinks alcohol rents a room for the night to make sure they don't drive drunk, or stumble into the road and cause an accident, or throw up on some strangers shoes igniting a huge drunken brawl.

I know not everyone that owns a gun will always shoot it at a range or in a sanctioned hunting area.

It's the same way that not everyone who wants to ride a motorcycle fast will always take it to the track.

I understand why everyone here is upset. But we can't stop everyone from doing everything that is wrong all the time. Is what these riders doing wrong? Yes. Is it dangerous? Yes. But at least it's on some middle of the road nowhere (yes there are houses in the beginning but after that it looks like farmland) place. I didn't see a school bus stop or an orphanage or some kind of cute animal factory. I'm not saying it wasn't there, but I highly doubt these people would take their very expensive motorcycles on this road in such a large group if they thought there was a chance of their bikes getting wrecked.

If anyone here truly truly can tell me they always take all precautions necessary in life, then they are a better person than I am. Otherwise I suggest everyone take a look inward and realize they do things that can potentially hurt other people too, but just always minimize the risk.

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>> ^dannym3141:

It is actually illegal to do that, shepppard, and i don't consider it silly at all. It's incredibly dangerous to go so fast through such a big puddle (ever aquaplaned in a car?) not to mention he was going beyond the speed limit by the looks of things, and passing school kids at a bus stop you should always be cautious.
That's aside from the fact that it's really, really stupid to do that and think it's funny. I've never seen the upside to intentionally ruining someone's clothes/schoolwork/businesswork/day. A friend did it to a bunch of people once, and i forced her to stop the car and gave them her details - nothing happened, but i would have been happy to see her get fined. Another time, long time ago, there was a large puddle at the bottom of a hill when i was walking home, and i knew someone would do it. So i picked up a small stone and as he went past me and drenched me, i put a big crack down his rear window, ho ho ho what a funny joke it is to ruin someone else's property eh! I am a card.
I believe that guy did get done, and rightly so.


Yeah, I know the story. You said the same thing on the original video that was sifted, and I'll repost my response to it:

"So..if I've got that right, the guy, who you have no idea why he was going fast, could have been sick, wife could've been having a baby, hell, maybe he just really had to poop, deserved to get a window broken over this?

Lighten up..it's water."

Never once have I condoned the dude for doing it, all I ever said was that they tried to charge him with something rediculous.

And I still stand by the "Getting Wet =/= property damage"

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It is actually illegal to do that, shepppard, and i don't consider it silly at all. It's incredibly dangerous to go so fast through such a big puddle (ever aquaplaned in a car?) not to mention he was going beyond the speed limit by the looks of things, and passing school kids at a bus stop you should always be cautious.

That's aside from the fact that it's really, really stupid to do that and think it's funny. I've never seen the upside to intentionally ruining someone's clothes/schoolwork/businesswork/day. A friend did it to a bunch of people once, and i forced her to stop the car and gave them her details - nothing happened, but i would have been happy to see her get fined. Another time, long time ago, there was a large puddle at the bottom of a hill when i was walking home, and i knew someone would do it. So i picked up a small stone and as he went past me and drenched me, i put a big crack down his rear window, ho ho ho what a funny joke it is to ruin someone else's property eh! I am a card.

I believe that guy did get done, and rightly so.

Where is this? I've never seen a bus stop like that or a bus that long. It's kind of like a mix between a bus and a train.

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