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Police fire (paintball?) at residents on their front porch

newtboy says...

I only meant that the required modifications didn't by themselves mean it was not simunition. I didn't mean to imply you were wrong, it does mean you couldn't just accidentally grab the wrong clip with real bullets, you would have to disassemble/reassemble the gun. Sorry I wasn't clear.

Hmmm...I can barely hear it on that video, but good find none the less. Could be it. I sure wish the video was better. Scary about the warnings, especially since they shot her crotch. Every 40mm I've heard, both in documentaries and movies, sounded like a loud potato gun.

jimnms said:

I don't know what point you're trying to make. Nothing I said was incorrect. For a gun to fire simunition, it has to have special modifications. Whether the modifications are easy or hard had nothing to do with the point I made, which is that a gun modified to fire simunition can't fire regular ammunition. So if they were using simunition, there is no chance of one of them grabbing the wrong "clip" and accidentally killing someone.

A 40mm LTL round sounds about like a pistol being fired. Here is a video I found doing a quick search.

If you watch the video again, between 23 and 24 seconds you can see a green powder cloud, which looks exactly like this 40mm marking powder grenade, which according to the manufacturer, has an effective range of 5 to 120 feet.

It also has a warning: "This product can expose you to chemicals including Lead Salts and Hexavalent Chromium, which are known to the State of California to cause cancer, and Lead Salts, which are known to the State of California to cause birth defects or other reproductive harm."

Police fire (paintball?) at residents on their front porch

jimnms says...

I don't know what point you're trying to make. Nothing I said was incorrect. For a gun to fire simunition, it has to have special modifications. Whether the modifications are easy or hard had nothing to do with the point I made, which is that a gun modified to fire simunition can't fire regular ammunition. So if they were using simunition, there is no chance of one of them grabbing the wrong "clip" and accidentally killing someone.

A 40mm LTL round sounds about like a pistol being fired. Here is a video I found doing a quick search.

If you watch the video again, between 23 and 24 seconds you can see a green powder cloud, which looks exactly like this 40mm marking powder grenade, which according to the manufacturer, has an effective range of 5 to 120 feet.

It also has a warning: "This product can expose you to chemicals including Lead Salts and Hexavalent Chromium, which are known to the State of California to cause cancer, and Lead Salts, which are known to the State of California to cause birth defects or other reproductive harm."

newtboy said:

In most rifles, it only requires swapping the bolt, something a qualified person can do in seconds, in others, the upper receiver, maybe a 1-2 minute job no harder than proper cleaning. Pistol conversion kits are similarly simple.
Don't be fooled that it's some long, difficult process so unlikely for that reason, it's simplistic and fast....and the conversion is just as easily and quickly reversible.

Edit: That didn't sound like an 40mms I've heard, more like a 9mm pistol with a light load. Any kind of 40mm round at that range would be brutal

Police fire (paintball?) at residents on their front porch

newtboy says...

In most rifles, it only requires swapping the bolt, something a qualified person can do in seconds, in others, the upper receiver, maybe a 1-2 minute job no harder than proper cleaning. Pistol conversion kits are similarly simple.
Don't be fooled that it's some long, difficult process so unlikely for that reason, it's simplistic and fast....and the conversion is just as easily and quickly reversible.

Edit: That didn't sound like an 40mms I've heard, more like a 9mm pistol with a light load. Any kind of 40mm round at that range would be brutal

jimnms said:

I doubt it was simunition. I've never heard of it being used outside of training (not saying it isn't thought). Simunition only works in special modified guns because it doesn't produce enough blowback to cycle in a normal gun, and guns modified for sumunition can't load regular ammunition.

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Police fire (paintball?) at residents on their front porch

jimnms says...

I doubt it was simunition. I've never heard of it being used outside of training (not saying it isn't thought). Simunition only works in special modified guns because it doesn't produce enough blowback to cycle in a normal gun, and guns modified for sumunition can't load regular ammunition.

From the sound it made, it was more likely some sort of 40mm less-than lethal round fired from a launcher.

Either way, these should never be fired at anyone that is non threatening because although they are called less-than-lethal, they can still cause serious injuries.

SFOGuy said:

I think, after some research, they were using "Simunition"---chalk marking ammunition for exercises and training courses.
https://simunition.com/en/products/fx_marking_cartridges

that's a risky strategy.
One officer, one person, grabs the wrong clip, reloads, the wrong rounds, and suddenly---you have a crowd of dead civilians scattered on their front porch.

Risky, risky, risky.

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wtfcaniuse says...

If you think that is scary lookup 20-40mm grenade launched drones that can loiter and swarm before bombing a target.

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FPS Russia - 40mm Machine Gun

jmd says...

>> ^Chimeling:

40mm Bofors API: Weight 1.2kg each, 58kg per 48-round case, 600kg per 480-round drum; Price $480 per case (R/-)
40mm Bofors HE: Weight 1.2kg each, 58kg per 48-round case, 600kg per 480-round drum; Price $480 per case (R/-)
Found it here.
>> ^alizarin:
What does one round of that ammo cost?



Wow. Was gonna ask this myself. This is one expensive yotube video for sure.

FPS Russia - 40mm Machine Gun

FPS Russia - 40mm Machine Gun

Darkhand says...

>> ^bamdrew:

"Hello my friends, we are currently in international waters, and about to detonate one of the largest hydrogen bombs that any smuggler has dared steal from our great mother Russia."


Nice

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FPS Russia - 40mm Machine Gun

Chimeling says...

40mm Bofors API: Weight 1.2kg each, 58kg per 48-round case, 600kg per 480-round drum; Price $480 per case (R/-)
40mm Bofors HE: Weight 1.2kg each, 58kg per 48-round case, 600kg per 480-round drum; Price $480 per case (R/-)

Found it here.

>> ^alizarin:

What does one round of that ammo cost?

FPS Russia - 40mm Machine Gun

FPS Russia - 40mm Machine Gun

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