I consider myself a good person.

But I hate whites, so option 3.

good
evil
all subjective.

>> ^enoch:

good
evil
all subjective.


The point exactly.

Sometimes I am a total bitch. Is that good or bad?

Chaotic Evil.

"Make way, evil! I'm armed to the teeth and packing a hamster!">> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

Chaotic Evil.

>> ^mintbbb:

Sometimes I am a total bitch. Is that good or bad?


If you are defending me it's great!
If you're yelling at me--not so good.

Unscrupulous.

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

Chaotic Evil.


Your answer takes me back DFT.

Sitting in my friends basement--everybody high--and rolling the 20 sided die.

Is kicking puppies good?

Good is an objective concept. We compare everyday objects to "Good" because we compare them to the concept of "good" which exists perfectly.
I'm talking about
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_Forms

Aristotle, being a bad student, objected to this. and you can read his bullshit today, here:
http://www.anselm.edu/homepage/dbanach/arist.htm

I only kick puppies when they get in my way.

I'm evil, but it's good that I'm evil...

My evil thoughts enhance the reality. That is good.

>> ^marinara:

Is kicking puppies good?
Good is an objective concept. We compare everyday objects to "Good" because we compare them to the concept of "good" which exists perfectly.
I'm talking about
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_Forms
Aristotle, being a bad student, objected to this. and you can read his bullshit today, here:
http://www.anselm.edu/homepage/dbanach/arist.htm


How can you test that you are doing "the good" rather than something that looks like "the good" but is actually bad. What I am asking is how do you obtain knowledge of the good, if you have some irrefutable way, I would be very interested. Otherwise, I can't see anyone saying to a Spartan, who has a very different idea of good then we, he isn't good...even though he thinks he is being good.

yeah...I know what you mean. but if you remember to dry delicates on low, cottons on high, and always, always check the label...you will be ok.

>> ^Fantomas:

I consider myself a good person.
But I hate whites, so option 3.

>> ^Ryjkyj:

Unscrupulous.


Sorry, I meant: aberrant.

@GeeSussFreeK
I agree w/ your point, but I'm going to evade answering that. Good can exist, and not be obvious.

IMHO, good is best defined as the absence of "bad." Everyone knows bad when they see it. Unless they are judgmental or prejudiced, in that case, their notion of good, isn't good.

I'll end with a question. We're in a poker game, and everyone is cheating, but you. Is it "Good" to not cheat?

>> ^marinara:

@GeeSussFreeK
I agree w/ your point, but I'm going to evade answering that. Good can exist, and not be obvious.
IMHO, good is best defined as the absence of "bad." Everyone knows bad when they see it. Unless they are judgmental or prejudiced, in that case, their notion of good, isn't good.
I'll end with a question. We're in a poker game, and everyone is cheating, but you. Is it "Good" to not cheat?


I am not arguing that good doesn't exist or does exactly. My point is if universal good does exist, there would be no way to understand it, much the same problem of forms in general. I can't tell you what a perfect chair is, or if such a thing is an actual metaphysical object. Talk of metaphysical good and bad doesn't avail us much in the real world without us having any way of knowing what they are. Though, I think you mostly got what I was saying, just wanted to clarify.

I don't think the "absence of bad" helps in our question of what good is. At that point, one has to ask "What is 'The Bad'" and you are left with the same metaphysical begging of the question for which we can't answer. And my point is everyone doesn't know bad when they see it. For some, they think it is ok to do a little bit of bad to do a lot of bit of good, and that turns the bad into good. Others would say that doing bad is always bad even it it creates more good; that goodness can't make badness good. Who is correct? More importantly, why? Which one is the good, or like you pointed out, which one is the bad? And more importantly, how can we make a universal claim about peoples knowledge of goodness and badness being apparent, when it is all to apparent people have very different moral instincts.

I can't really answer your question universally. It depends very much on what you are calling cheating. Is not playing to the best of your ability cheating? Like when a father doesn't play his best and lets his son win, is that cheating? And more important, is it wrong? If not, why is trying to unfairly loose any more justified that unfairly wining? Are things only morally bad when money is on the line? The situation is far more complex than just "is it ok to cheat when others are cheating". Or at least, it is for me when I make moral decisions.

Personally, my moral code is simple, "To do no harm is neutral, to lend a hand is good, and to detriment is bad". Others don't agree with this, objecting to its over simplistic nature. Some, like Nietzsche, would say to be compassionate on the week is immoral. Who is right universally, I can't say, but I wouldn't be Nietzsche's friend.

Evolutionary we are all good. Circumstantially we can all be evil. Real life is somewhere towards the good mostly.

Wait, who doesn't kick puppies? What kind of a world are you people living in?

from what I found out, I'm a lawful neutral, but really I find myself mostly good for the most part. Granted sometimes it is fun to be evil, but when I have to pick sides (when being serious) I go Good.

Voting for this poll ended with the majority of users voting Mostly Good with just a hint of Evil.

*quality This is an experiment -- one place says I have 2 pps, one place says I don't. (Those transitions aren't exact....)

*quality so now I have the 2 PPs -- but I don't have a "possible invocation" of quality.

The experiment continues....

Ah. Can't do quality on a sift poll, only on a talk. I'm still in learning mode!

The results are final.

12 people see themselves as Good.

38 assign themselves--at least in some part--Evil.

Subjectively we're an Evil bunch. (But, only subjectively)