>> ^Psychologic:
So when people think of "American Media" they're thinking of Fox News?
Ouch.


Well, I think any time one country is looking at another, the extremists (in all categories) get the focus and are often presumed to be the norm. It's sort of like after 9/11, so many Americans saw Arabs, Indians, etc. as terrorists. Likewise, other countries look at Bush's America and assume all Americans are war-mongering idiots, which is only partially true.

It seems like any peace achieved in Israel & Palestine will only be temporary. On both sides, the demographic future belongs to the war-mongering, baby-factory religious fundamentalists.

Education has inversely correlated with reproduction for a long time everywhere - among conservatives, among liberals - but in Israel & Palestine it seems particularly easy to see.

No, we did it to save the 6.5 million Kurds out of the kindness of our hearts.


I'd be as surprised as you if Cheney's ever done anything out of the kindness of his heart. I still like the idea of saving those millions of Kurds even if Cheney only did it so he could pad his pockets.


And we only had to kill a million Iraqi's and turn another three million into refugees to do it.

Your wording says more about your world view than about what happened. You say killed, but died is more accurate. That you are content to lay every death since the US invasion on America and totally ignore the role of decades of living under a brutal sectarian dictator says everything. Your wording suggests that Iraqi's were peacefully united in one cause before the invasion, rather than living under the thumb of a vicious dictator that spent his time encouraging and cultivating sectarian hatred to secure his iron fisted rule.


or we won't give them the $120 billion dollars we promised them to help rebuild their country

Yes, the proof of America's evil intent is conditions being placed on billions of dollars of aid that America is offering to just give the Iraqi people?


Oil companies the underdogs?

Your the one that said they controlled less than 40% of the world's oil, not me. If your statements contradict each other look in the mirror.


Keep clutching at straws you racist war monger.

Funny you'd call someone racist while you pretend like Iraq was better off under Saddam.

>> ^rougy:
>> ^bcglorf:
The Middle East has nearly 60% of the planet's oil reserves. If none of them have privatized their oil, wouldn't that make the privatized oil companies the underdogs?
Oh, nevermind, that just detracts from the simple answers people seem to want.
Iraq has oil. America is a corporation run by oil companies. America invaded Iraq to steal it's oil. Thank goodness it's that simple and no more thinking or complexity needs to be considered. baa, baa, baa.
No, we did it to save the 6.5 million Kurds out of the kindness of our hearts. And we only had to kill a million Iraqi's and turn another three million into refugees to do it.
And now we're only telling Iraq to either sign very long term leases with private oil companies who expect over ten times the going rate for extracting that oil, or we won't give them the $120 billion dollars we promised them to help rebuild their country after we bombed it back to the stone ages.
Oil companies the underdogs? Keep clutching at straws you racist war monger.



Whats ironic is that you and others who make comments like this seem not to have cared a whit about what was happening to Iraqis and Kurds whilst under Saddam. Aside from the issue of "stealing" oil or whatever the case may be I challenge anyone to say that Iraqis and Kurds lived great lives under Saddam. Americans went in there stirred the Hornets nest and now are trying to make lemonade out of lemons. If it works (still a long road) then it will be one of the greatest things ever but if it doesnt (with the help of people who are blinded by their indignance) then it will be a disaster. Point is....no saddam is good stuff. But perhaps people like you are removed and immersed enough in your pacifist dreamland to not have cared about the wives, sisters and daughters who were regularly stolen and raped while their siginficant others were fed feet first into wood-chipers by Saddams sons. I suppose the gasing of thousands of Kurds was awesome too so long as we weren't "stealing" oil. As long as its not close to home right? Maybe Neville Chamberlain was right in how he handled Hitler and to follow that example we should have just let Saddam take Kuwait as well.

Well I guess Americans could have just sanctioned Saddam into compliance. Seems to work great so long as the UN gets involved right? Maybe he would have slowed down with the mass graves, the torturing of families and other potential non-compliants and the utilization of what was the 3rd largest army in the world. I agree with your thought-process....as long as the slaughtering of thousands is kept in house and perpetrated by the local tyrant then we should never...under any circumstances....interfere. The loss of lives is never acceptable especially when made in the name of other less fortunate people. And asking for any sort of compesation in return, in whatever form, is always a big no-no as well.

>> ^bcglorf:

The Middle East has nearly 60% of the planet's oil reserves. If none of them have privatized their oil, wouldn't that make the privatized oil companies the underdogs?
Oh, nevermind, that just detracts from the simple answers people seem to want.

Iraq has oil. America is a corporation run by oil companies. America invaded Iraq to steal it's oil. Thank goodness it's that simple and no more thinking or complexity needs to be considered. baa, baa, baa.


No, we did it to save the 6.5 million Kurds out of the kindness of our hearts. And we only had to kill a million Iraqi's and turn another three million into refugees to do it.

And now we're only telling Iraq to either sign very long term leases with private oil companies who expect over ten times the going rate for extracting that oil, or we won't give them the $120 billion dollars we promised them to help rebuild their country after we bombed it back to the stone ages.

Oil companies the underdogs? Keep clutching at straws you racist war monger.

The USA can't win. We stay out of it, then we don't care about the Iranian people and don't care about dying protesters. We come to the rescue and yes, innocent people will get killed while we fight for their freedom. So we are war mongers and bullies. We cast a vote saying that we voice our support for the Iranian people and that means we want to kill Iranians.

The title and the whole interpretation is ridiculous.

>> ^Farhad2000:
Am amazed by the comments here.
What if there was government suppressed the original Abu Ghraib photos?


They tried to, and failed.
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What if what Bush doing this and not Obama?

Bush is a war-mongering torture fetishest. Obama is not. There's definitely an infinite difference. Bush tried to keep everything secret, and failed. Obama is acknowledging what's in these photos, and taking a different approach than you or I or Glenn Greenwald would take.

But the fact of the matter is, this is FOIA stuff, and at a certain point, Obama doesn't control their release. It's entirely possible that Obama is specifically taking this stance now, all the while knowing they will be released, but he comes out in the end as not the America-hater that would so easily be slapped on him.
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Do you condone then the CIA destrcution of the torture videotapes as well?

Of course not and I have no idea why you'd equate the two. Obama isn't destroying these photographs, Bush destroyed the tapes.
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What kind of precedent does this set? Any time Americans do something wrong and its damaging to a certain set of people they should be allowed to suppress it?


I think you're blowing out of proportion what I and others here have stated. I'm not personally seeking the concealment of them. I'm trying to take Obama at face value, and figure out the issue, on both sides.
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I wanted these photos to be released so the evidence on prosecuting the people responsible for these policies would increase.

You don't need to release photographic evidence to the public and media at large in order to prosecute. Even Glen Greenwald understands that.
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It sounds like you are all buying the Fox spin about this being leveled at those carrying out the orders and not those who put these orders in place.


OK so, saying "I'm on the fence about this issue" and then trying to have a conversation about it is equal to "buying the Fox spin"??? WTF?

That's pretty out there dude.

Winstonfield Pennypacker; Standing up for bigots, racists, and war-mongers since 1999.

>> ^RedSky:
This site obviously has a Democratic slant, but really is there any need to run self-indulging DNC ads through it too?

Short Answer: IMHO, Yes.

Slightly Less Short Answer: IMHO, Yes, BUT I could care less about the DNC as much I care to expose the hypocrisy and self-contradictory nature of the GOP and it's biggest representatives. The DNC just happen to contribute the most fodder towards that end.

Personally, it has been made relatively clear to me that the GOP seems to represent a large faction of people known to be lying, war-mongering, god-fearing, gun-toting, hateful, racist homophobes whose policies are dictated by rich old white men and an invisible man in the sky. And I will do my small part to make it plainly obvious to anyone that will watch my "raging liberal" videos, that the sooner this country is rid of the fundamentalist conservative christian rightwing nutjob mentality most evident in the GOP, the better this country will be.

That being said, I respect your opinion to disagree and fully encourage you to downvote if you find anything to be inaccurate, but preferably with factual data to backup your correction of the inaccuracies. Thx.

Lol, thanks very much

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Yes indeed I wish they still gave star points out for comments too. If I could give you one of mine, nay ten, I fucking would

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>> ^CaptainPlanet:
nice teeth brit face. i have a question... Go, to a dentist.


Hello there, i wonder if i can help you - i'm british, and it looks like you're having a little trouble with the meanings of words. Don't be embarassed, you're probably in the upper percentile of your nation for knowing that a word with 3 syllables exists. Then attaching some emotional value to the word beyond the literal "it's a little bit like iron" is far beyond even toddler level!

Irony is a way of saying something that is intended to portray the opposite meaning to that which is stated! If we were watching David Mitchell's perfect teeth and everyone was, to a man, thinking "Wow, David Mitchell really doesn't need to go to the dentist!" This might then be an ironic statement.

Possibly the word you were looking for was sardonic. This word would apply to a scornful statement intended to heap derision upon the person it was aimed at.

For example if i were to call you a "burger eating, war mongering, archaic-theocratic bunch of fat inbred hillbillies with an army which has all the gear but no idea, and a penchant for making enemies of countries they're trying to liberate by acting like schoolyard bullies", then we might be referring to a sardonic comment.

Yes indeed I wish they still gave star points out for comments too. If I could give you one of mine, nay ten, I fucking would

In reply to this comment by dannym3141:
>> ^CaptainPlanet:
nice teeth brit face. i have a question... Go, to a dentist.


Hello there, i wonder if i can help you - i'm british, and it looks like you're having a little trouble with the meanings of words. Don't be embarassed, you're probably in the upper percentile of your nation for knowing that a word with 3 syllables exists. Then attaching some emotional value to the word beyond the literal "it's a little bit like iron" is far beyond even toddler level!

Irony is a way of saying something that is intended to portray the opposite meaning to that which is stated! If we were watching David Mitchell's perfect teeth and everyone was, to a man, thinking "Wow, David Mitchell really doesn't need to go to the dentist!" This might then be an ironic statement.

Possibly the word you were looking for was sardonic. This word would apply to a scornful statement intended to heap derision upon the person it was aimed at.

For example if i were to call you a "burger eating, war mongering, archaic-theocratic bunch of fat inbred hillbillies with an army which has all the gear but no idea, and a penchant for making enemies of countries they're trying to liberate by acting like schoolyard bullies", then we might be referring to a sardonic comment.

Thanks very much! Someone once told me that about my "i speak jive" comment

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Hahah, I really like this! If there was a spot for favourite comment on my profile this would be it!

In reply to this comment by dannym3141:
>> ^CaptainPlanet:
nice teeth brit face. i have a question... Go, to a dentist.


Hello there, i wonder if i can help you - i'm british, and it looks like you're having a little trouble with the meanings of words. Don't be embarassed, you're probably in the upper percentile of your nation for knowing that a word with 3 syllables exists. Then attaching some emotional value to the word beyond the literal "it's a little bit like iron" is far beyond even toddler level!

Irony is a way of saying something that is intended to portray the opposite meaning to that which is stated! If we were watching David Mitchell's perfect teeth and everyone was, to a man, thinking "Wow, David Mitchell really doesn't need to go to the dentist!" This might then be an ironic statement.

Possibly the word you were looking for was sardonic. This word would apply to a scornful statement intended to heap derision upon the person it was aimed at.

For example if i were to call you a "burger eating, war mongering, archaic-theocratic bunch of fat inbred hillbillies with an army which has all the gear but no idea, and a penchant for making enemies of countries they're trying to liberate by acting like schoolyard bullies", then we might be referring to a sardonic comment.

Hahah, I really like this! If there was a spot for favourite comment on my profile this would be it!

In reply to this comment by dannym3141:
>> ^CaptainPlanet:
nice teeth brit face. i have a question... Go, to a dentist.


Hello there, i wonder if i can help you - i'm british, and it looks like you're having a little trouble with the meanings of words. Don't be embarassed, you're probably in the upper percentile of your nation for knowing that a word with 3 syllables exists. Then attaching some emotional value to the word beyond the literal "it's a little bit like iron" is far beyond even toddler level!

Irony is a way of saying something that is intended to portray the opposite meaning to that which is stated! If we were watching David Mitchell's perfect teeth and everyone was, to a man, thinking "Wow, David Mitchell really doesn't need to go to the dentist!" This might then be an ironic statement.

Possibly the word you were looking for was sardonic. This word would apply to a scornful statement intended to heap derision upon the person it was aimed at.

For example if i were to call you a "burger eating, war mongering, archaic-theocratic bunch of fat inbred hillbillies with an army which has all the gear but no idea, and a penchant for making enemies of countries they're trying to liberate by acting like schoolyard bullies", then we might be referring to a sardonic comment.

>> ^CaptainPlanet:
nice teeth brit face. i have a question... Go, to a dentist.


Hello there, i wonder if i can help you - i'm british, and it looks like you're having a little trouble with the meanings of words. Don't be embarassed, you're probably in the upper percentile of your nation for knowing that a word with 3 syllables exists. Then attaching some emotional value to the word beyond the literal "it's a little bit like iron" is far beyond even toddler level!

Irony is a way of saying something that is intended to portray the opposite meaning to that which is stated! If we were watching David Mitchell's perfect teeth and everyone was, to a man, thinking "Wow, David Mitchell really doesn't need to go to the dentist!" This might then be an ironic statement.

Possibly the word you were looking for was sardonic. This word would apply to a scornful statement intended to heap derision upon the person it was aimed at.

For example if i were to call you a "burger eating, war mongering, archaic-theocratic bunch of fat inbred hillbillies with an army which has all the gear but no idea, and a penchant for making enemies of countries they're trying to liberate by acting like schoolyard bullies", then we might be referring to a sardonic comment.

>> ^Xaielao:
QM do you eat, drink, bleed and piss war mongering or is it just me?


No, just trolljuice.

These faux heads sicken me.