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John Stossel Gets Schooled on the 4th Amendment

VoodooV says...

You apparently have a problem with reading comprehension.

re-read my challenge and try again.

Here's a hint, I already pointed out how Stossel confronted Napolitano with this and Napolitano dodged.

I'm sorry but you just don't really have a case. If Americans truly had a problem with being surveilled. They wouldn't have let corporations do it, much less the gov't. If you've got a cell phone or use the internet and you're mad about this, then you're a hypocrite, pure and simple.

Privacy as you apparently think of it, is an outdated concept. People by and large obviously do not have a problem with this. = implied consent.

Snowden is just a convenient excuse to rage and for internet blowhards to pretend to be righteous.

Daily modern life as we know it is consent to surveillance in some form or another. to feign outrage about it now is just absurdly disingenuous

9547bis said:

Two words: David Miranda.
Not American enough? Two more: Laura Poitras.

Not to mention, their supposedly smart/effective/necessary dragnet did not prevent them having innocent civilians that they kidnapped straight from allied nations from being tortured, raped, or killed. These people had nothing to do with terrorism, but they were profiled and pronounced "guilty by statistics".

John Stossel Gets Schooled on the 4th Amendment

John Stossel Gets Schooled on the 4th Amendment

VoodooV says...

yeah If I got a problem with surveillance, I can vote it out. I can't vote out a terrorist attack. I can't vote out a CEO

demonstrate to me that they're using this surveillance to harass civilians or using it for some other demonstrably oppressive way then I might be on board.

Till then, you're just mad that they merely have the info, which is hypocritical because the corporations collected the data in the first place, but people only got mad when gov't had it = hypocrisy.

turn off your cell phone and your computer and go live in the mountains if you want to prove you're not a hypocrite.

Gov't is not force, yes you do have a choice, you can leave the country, you can contact your congressperson.

Gov't is you

And yes, I too have anger fatigue.

That was a nice dodge he did when confronted with the argument that the gov't hasn't abused the information. He just pivoted it away.

I am sick and tired of the double standard between public and private sectors

And yes, it does creep me out that I'm agreeing with Stossel.

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The Myth of "Gun control"

VoodooV says...

punditry aside, Stossel is right about one thing. criminals, by definition, don't care about gun laws.

I have no problem with gun ownership. I have a problem with the cowboy mentality that infects the zealots. It's the cowboy mentality that is what get people killed when you have a gun to compensate for other inadequacies.

It's a gun, not a codpiece.

The Myth of "Gun control"

grinter says...

Why are they focusing on the number of violent crimes? ..With firearms as easy to get as they are in the States, why would anyone think that violent crime goes up when guns are legal? Since when do criminals used registered guns? Gun accidents might go up, or the number of people shot in 'self defense', or maybe the use of guns in violent crime, or the proportion of violent crimes resulting in fatalities... wouldn't it make more sense to focus on those statistics? I don't believe that Stossel, or his producers, are this dumb. I believe they ran the story which would get the best ratings.. without regard to anything it might do to shape public opinion.

The Myth of "Gun control"

Fox News Fakes Up Audience Support For War or John Bolton

messenger says...

You didn't hear me.

I was saying the Media Research Center's writing is biased, so they're not a reliable source.

And no, I don't mean they're biased because they point out negative things about media sources other than Fox. I mean, the style of writing is biased, as I pointed out above. Do you have anything better, or perhaps some examples of your own? Anything as awful as Fox's purposefully misleading coverage?>> ^quantumushroom:

How much effort was put into this "fakeout" when the dweeb who was there can so readily "expose" it?
Sorry gang, you can call this "trickery" or what-have-you, and even if you had a signed confession from Stossel that his intent was to dress up Bolton, what the libmedia does around the clock with manipulative rubbish, plus their backup Democratainment Wing (Vancouver nee Hollywood), you've still got a ways to go, removing the sequoia from thine own eye before the mote in FOX's.

Fox News Fakes Up Audience Support For War or John Bolton

quantumushroom says...

How much effort was put into this "fakeout" when the dweeb who was there can so readily "expose" it?

Sorry gang, you can call this "trickery" or what-have-you, and even if you had a signed confession from Stossel that his intent was to dress up Bolton, what the libmedia does around the clock with manipulative rubbish, plus their backup Democratainment Wing (Vancouver nee Hollywood), you've still got a ways to go, removing the sequoia from thine own eye before the mote in FOX's.



>> ^dag:

Agree. The unedited version doesn't help Fox. What applause there is is for te questioner - not Bolton.>> ^longde:
QM, Stossel's clip in your link is damning; it's clear he manipulated the video to drum up applause for Bolton.
Where's Schultz when you need him?
>> ^quantumushroom:
Stossel has responded and showed the whole unedited clip.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/on-air/stossel/blog/2012
/02/27/unedited-students-liberty-video-0
No chorus of boos for Bolton. Not much of anything.

BTW if you want bias, here's all the liberal "news" bias you can eat.
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This guy might be telling the truth, who knows? He's shilling for his little Mike Moore wannabe film company.
Do you really think official US policy was to blackbag random civilians? For what measurable gain? We won the Iraq War by offering the Iraqis a chance for freedom.
Invading countries run by tyrants in order to kill them? Good work!



Fox News Fakes Up Audience Support For War or John Bolton

dag says...

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

Agree. The unedited version doesn't help Fox. What applause there is is for te questioner - not Bolton.>> ^longde:

QM, Stossel's clip in your link is damning; it's clear he manipulated the video to drum up applause for Bolton.
Where's Schultz when you need him?
>> ^quantumushroom:
Stossel has responded and showed the whole unedited clip.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/on-air/stossel/blog/2012
/02/27/unedited-students-liberty-video-0
No chorus of boos for Bolton. Not much of anything.

BTW if you want bias, here's all the liberal "news" bias you can eat.
-----------------------
This guy might be telling the truth, who knows? He's shilling for his little Mike Moore wannabe film company.
Do you really think official US policy was to blackbag random civilians? For what measurable gain? We won the Iraq War by offering the Iraqis a chance for freedom.
Invading countries run by tyrants in order to kill them? Good work!


John Stossel's Illegal Everything

Yogi says...

>> ^renatojj:

Too bad all the laissez-faire of the past decades led to the current crisis. If only we had better politicians, with bigger brains and hearts, who could come up with smarter regulations to micromanage us out of this mess...


Nobody questioned your first comment because we're not buying what you're selling. You don't really understand the complexities of the issue...piss off.

Fox News Fakes Up Audience Support For War or John Bolton

longde says...

QM, Stossel's clip in your link is damning; it's clear he manipulated the video to drum up applause for Bolton.

Where's Schultz when you need him?
>> ^quantumushroom:

Stossel has responded and showed the whole unedited clip.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/on-air/stossel/blog/2012
/02/27/unedited-students-liberty-video-0
No chorus of boos for Bolton. Not much of anything.

BTW if you want bias, here's all the liberal "news" bias you can eat.
-----------------------
This guy might be telling the truth, who knows? He's shilling for his little Mike Moore wannabe film company.
Do you really think official US policy was to blackbag random civilians? For what measurable gain? We won the Iraq War by offering the Iraqis a chance for freedom.
Invading countries run by tyrants in order to kill them? Good work!



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