Awesome--stopped at 2 minutes but enjoyed those two minutes thoroughly.

Had to stop after a minute because of the music....

Off to Kerbal Space Program..
http://kerbalspaceprogram.com/

Yeah, I stopped after a minute and a half of seeing zero bugs and being assaulted by shit humour...

>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^ipfreely:
Well, instead of feeling sorry for these prisoners. Lets find out about these "Forced Labor Camp"
Has anyone actually spoken to these prisoners and gotten their views about this? No? Then lets not sit here and feeling sorry for them.
Forced labor? more like "Here are some job skills you can learn, maybe kill 8 hours of your life that you are going to lose anyway. Make the best of it instead of being forced to sit in your jail cell or walking around in a yard."
Or maybe "Hey, want to help America? Produce some much needed equipment for American soldiers. Make yourself feel good about yourself."
I'm pretty sure they are treated much better than some third world sweatshop child laborer.
Lets not lose any sympathy for the prisoners. Save them for the kids who have really no choice in real world.

I wonder why this comment recieved 3 downvotes. Honestly think whilst you read my post, don't simply react and go "SLAVERY BAAAAAD".
We are, after all, talking about people who we take out of society and lock in a cage. If we lock a human in a cage and deny them their freedom if not their life, why are we suddenly so indignant when we are getting work out of them? Is the work bit so bad compared to the cage bit?
Imprisoning someone, locking them in a cage, taking away their life and freedom - YAYYY, GOOD!
Forcing someone to work in reasonable conditions with shitty pay - NOOOO, TERRIBLE!
Just food for thought, guys. Obviously we need prisons to stop people hurting others, but after i stopped for a minute and thought about it, it just made me wonder:
a) why we all feel so indignant about the 'slavery' over the 'bondage'
b) why we lock people up for carrying or using drugs - surely we should lock them up IF we catch them in the act of stealing/harming others to feed their drug habit or tossing away dangerous needles/chemicals unsafely, but other than this, why do we need to lock these people in a cage? They only hurt themselves.
...well, ok they may 'hurt' their relatives too, but so do smokers, drinkers, gamblers and over-eaters.


your argument would be pertinent and concise if we didnt consider a few facts:
1.the prison system is no longer about rehabilitation or punishment but much more to do with corporate business and politics.
2.labor camps would not be an issue if A.the labor was voluntary B.defense contractors and corporations didnt profit from this labor and C.they were actually being taught skills which could translate to a job with livable wages (there are a few prisons which offer this but they are a minority and have limited openings and availability).

one more point i would like to make concerning your argument.
you create a false premise by making it out to seem that others only have a problem with the forced labor issue but not with the actual incarceration.
this is patently false.nobody is saying that violent criminals,thieves or drug dealers should not be punished and removed from society.what we ARE saying is that non-violent offenders,petty thieves and pot smokers should not be spending years in a penitentiary and then,as an example, being forced to labor for the profit of a giant defense contractor,who reaps huge profits.

let me conclude with a few things to think about:
we find ourselves in a dilemma.on the one hand america is incarcerating more people than the rest of the world combined and the majority for non-violent offenses.
on the other hand we have created a HUGE prison industry which employs millions of people to keep it running.sometimes whole townships entire economy is based on a single federal prison.
so what do we do?
if we legalize weed and change it from a type A narcotic to a mush lesser class we would effectively diminish the prison population on a massive scale.this means lost revenue for corporate run prisons and means major unemployment which could devastate entire communities.
this is the dilemma and to me it is a moral one but there is no easy answer.

>> ^ipfreely:
Well, instead of feeling sorry for these prisoners. Lets find out about these "Forced Labor Camp"
Has anyone actually spoken to these prisoners and gotten their views about this? No? Then lets not sit here and feeling sorry for them.
Forced labor? more like "Here are some job skills you can learn, maybe kill 8 hours of your life that you are going to lose anyway. Make the best of it instead of being forced to sit in your jail cell or walking around in a yard."
Or maybe "Hey, want to help America? Produce some much needed equipment for American soldiers. Make yourself feel good about yourself."
I'm pretty sure they are treated much better than some third world sweatshop child laborer.
Lets not lose any sympathy for the prisoners. Save them for the kids who have really no choice in real world.


I wonder why this comment recieved 3 downvotes. Honestly think whilst you read my post, don't simply react and go "SLAVERY BAAAAAD".

We are, after all, talking about people who we take out of society and lock in a cage. If we lock a human in a cage and deny them their freedom if not their life, why are we suddenly so indignant when we are getting work out of them? Is the work bit so bad compared to the cage bit?

Imprisoning someone, locking them in a cage, taking away their life and freedom - YAYYY, GOOD!
Forcing someone to work in reasonable conditions with shitty pay - NOOOO, TERRIBLE!

Just food for thought, guys. Obviously we need prisons to stop people hurting others, but after i stopped for a minute and thought about it, it just made me wonder:
a) why we all feel so indignant about the 'slavery' over the 'bondage'
b) why we lock people up for carrying or using drugs - surely we should lock them up IF we catch them in the act of stealing/harming others to feed their drug habit or tossing away dangerous needles/chemicals unsafely, but other than this, why do we need to lock these people in a cage? They only hurt themselves.

...well, ok they may 'hurt' their relatives too, but so do smokers, drinkers, gamblers and over-eaters.

"I stopped at 20 minutes..." And you speak so fervently against it even though you refused to watch the whole thing.

I haven't read all of Mein Kompf either, but I'm pretty comfortable speaking fervently against it.

^Bwahahahaha... what?! Sicko only came to the edge of propaganda? Did we watch the same movie? You're the master of Democratic spin, brother. I'll give you that. You are relentless.

"I stopped at 20 minutes..." And you speak so fervently against it even though you refused to watch the whole thing. And you also happily skipped to the very end of the video so you could post the links from it? Mmmhmmm.

Like I said, I didn't watch the whole thing. I stopped at 20 minutes in because it was just a long series of cops behaving badly, with no attempt to provide context, or even articulate a point.

If we want to compare this to Sicko, I happily welcome the comparison. Sicko certainly came right up to the edge of propaganda with it's cherry-picked visuals, and the way it tugged at your emotions.

But Sicko provided statistics to put the cherry-picked visuals into context. It didn't ascribe evil motives to anyone, even the health insurance companies. It tried to show what the problems are in the US, and then show whether those same issues exist elsewhere and finding that they did not -- to the point where people there would laugh and say "we're not the United States".

So while Sicko did pull at the heartstrings, it wasn't unrelenting about it. It did cherry-pick events, but it tried its best to put things in perspective. It also pointed out what kinds of solutions have been used elsewhere to solve the issue, and ultimately called people to act in a positive way to try to address the issues explored in the film. Above all else, it didn't try to make anyone, even the insurance companies, out to be some sort of bad guy worthy of hatred.

I saw no signs of any of that here.

If they got around to that in the back 40 minutes, let me know.

Oh, and as to why I'm "so vocal" in speaking out about it, it's because I stick my head into the American echo chamber for 6 hours each day, and I'm hearing plenty of inducements to violence these days. Yes, everyone's being careful to avoid any kind of legal problems with inciting violence, and they're trying to couch their divisive fear-mongering as legitimate, protected political speech, but the message they want people to hear is clear: THE FASCISTS ARE COMING, GET YOUR GUNS READY.

The last thing I care to see is video trying to incite more fear, and spreading a narrative of authority out of control, in the hopes that good and righteous people will do something about this terrible police state we're living under.

Seriously. Either try to get people involved in a constructive, non-violent effort to combat the problems you see, or just call for a violent revolution already. I've had it with this attempt to do the latter while pretending it's the former.

this thing ain't workin for me D= it just stops about a minute in

Absolutely disturbing. Had to stop after 5 minutes. <shudder>