>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:
2. Better health care? Who says? Not people in the UK...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1209034/The-babies-born-hospital-corridors-Bed-shortage-forces-4-000-mothers-birth-lifts-offic
es-hospital-toilets.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new
s/article-1208970/Man-collapses-ruptured-appendix--weeks-NHS-doctors-took-out.html

Let's see what wikipedia has to say about this tabloid trash that is the Daily Mail : "The Mail takes an anti-EU, anti-abortion view, based upon "traditional values", and is pro-capitalism and pro-monarchy, as well as, in some cases, advocating stricter punishments for crime. It also often calls for lower levels of taxation."

Wow... That's like using Fox News as a "non-biased" source to show that every American thinks healthcare is fine as it is in the U.S. Of course the British, like everyone else, call for better everything. After all, the government is FOR THE FUCKING PEOPLE. Do you not get that? It is your right to be critical of the government. And given the choice, people will complain more than they will send flowers. After all, when all goes well "they're just doing their jobs".

I just dont get you, here, why wouldnt you rather spend LESS money for BETTER healthcare?

1. Less money? Who says? Not the CBO...

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/07/cbo-sees-no-federal-cost-savings-in-dem-health-plans.html

How can it be any plainer? The DEMOCRAT run CBO office did the analysis, and concluded that the plan would result in no savings. Your perception that public helath care will be cheaper with a public option is therefore factually incorrect.

2. Better health care? Who says? Not people in the UK...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1209034/The-babies-born-hospital-corridors-Bed-shortage-forces-4-000-mothers-birth-lifts-offices-hospital-toil
ets.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1208970/Man-collapses-ruptured-appendix--weeks-NHS-doctors-took-out.html
http://yedda.com/questions/British_Dental_Patients_Face_3507421310153/
http://yedda.com/questions/Cancer_Pateitns_Beterayed_British_7355631675129/
http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare/ukaudit4.html
http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare/ukheartdelay2.html
http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare/ukinequality.html


My response to your question? Why should we pay MORE money for WORSE health care by adopting a public option?

More examples...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1209034/The-babies-born-hospital-corridors-Bed-shortage-forces-4-000-mothers-birth-lifts-offices-hospital-toil
ets.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1208970/Man-collapses-ruptured-appendix--weeks-NHS-doctors-took-out.html

The point Farhad is that every system on the planet - public or private - is facing tremendous challenges of various kinds. Your side of the debate keeps trying to paint a glowing picture of public health care that does not really exist. Public health care systems are NOT panaceas of happiness, contentment, and perfect medical care with low costs. Quite the contrary. They are cumbersome, slow, expensive, routinely deny or delay basic care, and frequently are UNABLE to provide advanced treatments for less common conditions.

The real debate here is what kind of country is America? America was founded as a country where its citizens were specifically protected from government by the Constitution. The Bill of Rights does not 'give' rights to citizens. It tells government what it CANNOT do. It acknowledges that these rights are God-given to all people, and attempts to ensure that government cannot infringe on them. Ever.

Establishing a public health care system (or any public social system in general) goes against that basic, core of what America is. Making health care a public 'right' gives the government the power to step in and take away your freedom at any time under the rubric of maintaining its 'program'. Even the mere act of taking your tax money to fund the program is a an involuntary removal of finanicial freedom. That isn't what America should be.

I keep hearing comments like, "Every other country is doing this..." So what? Just because a bunch of other nations have foolishly decided to cede freedom and power to thier governments is no good reason to do it here. I also quite often hear equally foolish arguments along the lines of, "What do you have against taking care of the poor?" The American way to care for the poor is to do it at the state, municipal, or personal level through voluntary donations and volunteerism. I do it all the time and it's great. You don't need a 'government system' to take care of the poor. That is a false choice and I reject it utterly.

Even in the very kindest interpretation, swapping to a public system is not going to 'improve' health care or reduce costs. The CBO said so. IT WILL NOT SAVE MONEY. If it isn't going to save money, and isn't going to provide better service then why should we cede huge powers to the government to do this? It would be nothing more than trading one bad system for another system that is equally bad, or potentially worse. The cost for making this change is the sacrifice of personal liberty and freedom. America has always succeeded as a nation of rugged individualists. That's the proper answer here. Constantly whining that "everyone ELSE does it this way" and "wah wah wah why don't you care about the poor?" are nothing but illogical red herrings.

The real question you should be asking yourself should be, "Why should be waste our time creating a worse system just because other countries do it?" Or perhaps, "Why am I opposed to volunteering my time and money at the local level for the poor?"

>> ^peggedbea:
mycroftholmes - i can respect that
pprt - i demand you give examples. and that the examples not be cases of mentally ill women neglecting and endangering their families.
i would never say my role is not different than any mans role. but my role is also different from my friends that are married mothers. or my friends that are married without kids. or my friends that are single and plan to stay that way. we ALL fill different roles. and at different times in our lives.


Sorry, I indeed misspoke. What I meant is that feminism is largely responsible for enabling mothers to neglect their roles.

It's indisputable that there's a sizable portion of the female population that considers their professional career as important as their family. While this statement seems benign and commonplace, I take issue with the comparative.

Even if career women publicly maintain that their family is their priority, the way they spend their time indicates otherwise. I'd sooner respect and admire a woman that says her family is the most important aspect of her life and dedicated herself accordingly.

While it's easy to say that the cost of living has risen that that a single revenue can't adequately provide for a family, it's just an excuse.. a justification.. all but an acknowledgement that women (read mothers) today are all but forced to enter the marketplace and find employ.

Meanwhile, children still in diapers are frequently dumped in the hands of poorly educated, minimum-age earning babysitters. This is a tragic start-of-life event for a child. While Northeners admire the "strong family values" of Hispanics, Asiatics, Dravidians et al., we seem to ignore that those mothers are traditionally totally involved in their children's lives from birth until they leave home. This creates a bond not usually found in European-based societies.

While, as you say, single women without children are certainly free to pursue whatever endeavor (it'd be medieval otherwise). I find sympathy in the concept that when a woman becomes a mother, her role in society changes. Then again, people are entitled to do anything they like with their lives.

I am standing by the observation, however, that feminism has ruptured the core of the traditional family. Not to mention other social turbulence.

>> ^Lann:
>> ^Ezmo:
I had a similar growth about half that size on my left eyelid. Twice. Popping them was an adventure and a half, let me tell you...

Are you talking about a sty? Your REALLY not supposed to pop those.


Generally yes, they either rupture themselves or, in most cases, the swelling and infection eventually subside. My father is prone to sty infection, and in some instances they've progressed to a stage that his doctor has had to crack 'em open. With a nutcracker.

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who take the truth and stretch it long, while I bless a song
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1) Scabies is not an STD You need close skin-to-skin contact with an infected person to catch scabies. Most cases are probably caught from holding hands with an infected person. This was found....in a children clothing store!

2) Scabies can often be misdiagnosed as itching healthy skin until the ruptures come through 3-4 weeks later, if you have kids you don't want them near this, children especially young children have reduced immune system.

3) The store decided to not tell anyone, thus meaning potential spread of infection...

Rupture, Immolate, Vivisect, Impale, Rend, Mangle, Rupture, Sap, Disarm, or some other Warcraft spell name I'm forgetting at the moment.

from wikipedia

At least four species are also able to squirt an aimed stream of blood from the corners of the eyes for a distance of up to 3 feet. They do this by restricting the blood flow leaving the head, thereby increasing blood pressure and rupturing tiny vessels around the eyelids. This not only confuses predators, but also the blood tastes foul to canine and feline predators. It appears to have no effect against predatory birds. To avoid being picked up by the head or neck, horned lizards duck or elevate their head and orient their cranial horns straight up, or back. If a predator tries to take it by the body, the lizard drives that side of its body down into the ground so that the predator cannot easily get its lower jaw underneath the lizard.

>> ^dag:
Hi all, guess what? This post is about to get us kicked out of our advertising network. Let's discuss it.


WTF?! Hey dag, can you elaborate as to why this 'particular' video posting is rupturing the siftiverse??

I don't know enough to even know how or why this would be a problem...
(unless the whoaful whoaful attempt at music from Chuggs or whatever he is is the reason)

^Yep, that can definitely rupture eardrums. Note that that can also be permanently debilitating, so as relatively benign as clapping somebody's ears may seem, don't do it to your buddy when you're messing around.

Since we're talking about one-hit take-downs, one that actually took me out in fight back in middle school is slapping both palms against your opponent's ears (for instance, in a situation where they grab you by the shirt-front). It hurts like hell, knocks their equilibrium completely off-balance, and can rupture the eardrums if done hard enough. If you don't believe me, try it very lightly against your own ears. Magnify that feeling by 100x an you'll have some idea of why I went straight down and could barely walk for a few minutes.

I bet she just ruptured her spleen.

Their argument still stands, the healthy person dropping dead is just one example of a freak occurrence. And it happens: sudden heard attack, hemorrhage in the brain or ruptured arteries etc. one minute you are just fine, the next minute you drop dead.

The problem with this guy's (and possibly your) belief is that if the freak occurrence works his way, he sees it as a "gift from God" but if it affects him negatively or not at all, he'll just think its a freak occurrence. These things happen sometimes with very sick people, but the chances are of course very small, my guess is that doctors see these "miracles" every now and then, but they cant go around assuming things like that will happen, they know that there's a 99,9% chance that the dead person stays dead, so thats what they have to assume.


>> ^White:
well the hosts don't realize the huge hole in their argument:
you can't really compare the two situations. his mother was not "on the brink of death, and then got better." she DIED. they took her off life support and she stopped breathing. then suddenly, BUT NOT IMMEDIATELY, she came back to life and no one knows why. i defy anyone to find a "perfectly healthy person" who dropped dead. people don't just die, they die because something was wrong with them or something happened to them. there is always a reason. the point of this man's story is that there is no medical reason that his mother came back. the doctors said she was going to die, and she did. then, out of the blue, she came back.

The only thing he skipped on in this *dark *femme video is that she ruptured her spinal chord, leading to the drugs. Well the current president is a drug user from the 70s according to records, and now we know the Republican candidate also is. I find it interesting that, "in her defense", the balanced Wikipedia entry points out that McCain was guilty of infidelity in the past with others well. Not exactly heartening.

Definitely an *election08 and *politics and a blowing the whistles *lies vid, but this is misuse of the terrible channel, hence I invoke *nochannel for that.

Wiki links:
Subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cindy_Hensley_McCain
Husband: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain
Cheated crippled first wife: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_McCain

And incredibly forgiving too:

The McCains separated in late 1979;[13] Carol McCain accepted a divorce in February of 1980,[13] and John McCain filed for and obtained the uncontested divorce in Florida on April 2, 1980.[21] John McCain would later say, "My marriage's collapse was attributable to my own selfishness and immaturity more than it was to Vietnam, and I cannot escape blame by pointing a finger at the war. The blame was entirely mine."[18] Carol McCain would later echo those sentiments, saying the failure was not due to her accident[1] and that "I attribute [the breakup of our marriage] more to John turning 40 and wanting to be 25 again than I do to anything else."[18] He gave her a settlement that included alimony, child support, houses in Virginia and Florida, and lifelong financial support for her ongoing medical treatments resulting from the 1969 automobile accident.[1] John McCain and Hensley were married the month following the divorce.[18]

Carol McCain became a personal assistant to Nancy Reagan in fall 1979,[2] working with her on Ronald Reagan's 1980 presidential campaign, and then worked on the 1980 Republican National Convention and the 1981 Reagan inaugural.[2] In 1981, she became head of the White House Visitors Center, where she planned tours and dealt with special pleas of Washington officials.[2]

Despite the divorce, Carol McCain remained on good terms with John McCain,[18] and supported him in all his subsequent political campaigns.[1] She refused to discuss her marriage with an opponent of McCain's in 1982 who was seeking negative information about him.[22]

In 2003, Carol McCain moved to a bungalow in Virginia Beach, Virginia.[1] She continues to have difficulty walking, as a result of her accident.[1] She supports her ex-husband's 2008 presidential campaign, and told The Mail on Sunday in June 2008 that she was not bitter and that, "He’s a good guy. We are still good friends. He is the best man for president."[1]


(If you're going to be harsh, you'll point out that she too got divorced before marrying McCain, albeit under very different circumstances.)