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Actually, those ads which depict men as lousy at childrearing and housework are just a subtler form of sexism (towards women, of course, but also men imo), but not misandry. The implied message is "housework and childrearing are the woman's job, only she's good at it", basically regurgitating the same crap from the 50s, but more perniciously.

There's this absolutely pathetic ad for Renault*, for example, which basically says "doing fatherly duties is emasculating, thankfully you've got our car to still be a man." (The slogan in French translates roughly to "so men can still be men", while the Spanish one says "fathers, but men", as if the two were contrary to eachother)

The reason why you won't see misandry in publicity is because, contrary to sexism, it is not an established cultural phenomenon, so advertisers know it will not reach a large audience.


*http://youtu.be/3Syyk7geHTY

In reply to this comment by DerHasisttot:
I do think there is a problem with misandry being accepted. I seldom watch TV, but especially in advertising, men in family-situations are often described as stupid or incapable, while there is a woman who rolls her eyes and does everything right. We don't see it the other way around anymore, and that's very good. But we should not see it either way imho. I try to look for an example.



Edit: Can't find anything at the moment, so consider it just my uninformed opinion :-)

In reply to this comment by hpqp:
No worries, assumed you did (btw, I was typing at the same time as you, so didn't see your comment until after posting mine : )

edit: the only reason why i didn't upvote your comment is because i don't agree about the "acceptance of misandry" bit. If i'm not mistaken this shining example received its fair share of criticism for being the spiteful crap that it is.

In reply to this comment by DerHasisttot:
Thanks. Him equating the hags with feminists completely fell under my radar. :-)

Edit: To clarify: I agree with all you said.

In reply to this comment by hpqp:
Those cackling hags are NOT feminists, they're stupid dicks. That being said, this loudmouth needs to get some perspective and not decide what feminism is based on a few singular situations.

For every story of a woman being treated preferentially (NOT what feminism is about btw), there are a million and one cases of misogynous abuse, lack of equal rights, rape perps and wife-killers walking free, "honour" killings, etc etc etc.

Most feminists will be the first to call out the hateful ignorance of situations like the one above, because it goes completely against what feminism is about, i.e. equal treatment. The way I see it, those dimwits (and anyone else who found this story funny instead of tragic) had something of an "Osama's death" moment, rejoicing over something unethical out of a sense of revenge for past (and present) misdeeds. Instead of using this situation to talk about the other side of what equality means - i.e. that women can be criminal/crazy/violent too - they took the low road of laughing at someone's mutilation. Shame on them, not on feminism.

If you're the president of a company, and the business is suffering, and the first place where you cut isn't your benefits and the benefits of the other executives, you are an asshole. Period.

If the business is suffering enough that you are considering firing people and you don't even touch the salaries and benefits at the top first? You are a horrible horrible person. Period

More than ever, I truly think that no one needs to be a fucking millionaire. I don't have anything against someone being one, but I truly believe it's way too much a for a single person.

If you make enough money that you can pay all your bills, take care of your family, have a decent car (and I don't mean a ferrari obviously. A good renault or VW should be enough for everyone), have a decent home, can pay for the education of your kids, save some money for retirement or rainy days, and have a few luxuries, like going out for a meal at least once a week, and movies whenever you feel like it, and maybe a big screen TV and whatnot, you should be satisfied. And that's still waaaaaaay more than 90% of the world population has.

If they were going to describe a car based on racial stereotypes, wouldn't a Mexican car be able to drive across rivers, jump 30ft. fences and work farm land?

To be fair, Mexicans practically build all the cars now anyway, why not build one of your own. Here's a list of car manufacturers who have cars that are currently built in Mexico: Acura, Audi, Bentley, BMW, Cadillac, Chevrolet, Chrysler, Dodge, FAW, Ferrari, Fiat, Ford, GMC, Honda, Hummer, Isuzu, Jaguar, Jeep, Lamborghini, Land Rover, Lincoln, Maserati, Mastretta, Mazda, Mercedes-Benz, Mercury, MINI, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Peugeot, Pontiac, Porsche, Radical, Renault, Saab, SEAT, Smart, Subaru, Suzuki, Toyota, Volkswagen and Volvo. [Wikipedia]

>> ^EMPIRE:

Wait... Did Assange get into a small Renault at the end? MY GOD!!! It's already getting to him!!! He's delirious with all the money and power he is getting.


I think it's an Opel Corsa. Getting in a Renault would be too crazy even for him.

Wait... Did Assange get into a small Renault at the end? MY GOD!!! It's already getting to him!!! He's delirious with all the money and power he is getting.

Answer: "Cheese, wine and rubbish." - Question: "What three words best describe France?"

That's precisely what I thought as well, and what I presume most folks have thought. Incidently, it was answered by Jeremy Clarkson more than once over the years, particularly when they had a piece about Renault, Peugeot or Citroen on Top Gear.

Anyway, Frankie does rip a lot on Kerry Katona - and it gets better every time.

The head-on crash is a Renault Clio II.

And if you ask me, every race course needs some telephone poles, if only to make it more interesting for the crowds. They were clearly having a good time.

Toyota, Renault and a few other teams will be riding around in these when the new championship begins.

>> ^kulpims:
^Grinter and NetRunner are right, EDD is not, and I'm a smartass


I also agree.

As a rallycross and autocross driver and instructor, I don't have a lick of F1 driving experience... but I know a bit about cars and handling.

This was a lack of experience with a VERY tricky class of car to drive. F1 cars are horrible beasts and extremely demanding. I would guess that one contributing factor (beyond lack of very fine throttle control by the driver) was that the tires were not yet warm.

F1 tires need to be warm. Very warm. Hot. You have to drive them hard to get them hot. Until then, they're not sticky. Whenever a driver pulls out onto the track, their tires are NOT up to optimal temperature. They have to carefully nurse the car through the first few corners, pushing hard enough to heat up the tires... not too hard, or they'll spin/slide... not too gentle, or they won't heat up the rubber.

It's a tough game.

^ I mean absolutely no disrespect to rally drivers (cause it's a completely different experience of driving and takes tremendous skill, too), but this crash showed the man really was pretty much utterly incompetent as far as F1 driving goes.

Q: Why did he crash?
A: He was going too slow - there was obviously WAY too little downforce generated, which would have provided the necessary traction for the car to not freaking spin off while GOING IN A STRAIGHT LINE. If this would have happened in the first corner, I wouldn't make such a big deal out of it - and I wager it's probably what Renault expected would happen - but he must have been instructed against this a hundred times, yet he still made the mistake. So yeah, epic fail.

Will this work in a Renault station wagon? Cause it sure seems easy.

Tags for this video have been changed from 'top gear, british, renault, convertible' to 'top gear, british, renault, convertible, bad idea' - edited by doogle

The food crashes are from a Renault Commercial.
See here: http://www.videosift.com/video/Renault-Crash-Test


I mean here is the video: http://www.videosift.com/video/Best-Crash-Tests-Ever-Sausages-and-other-national-edibles

Mine was a dupe.

Here it the translation for the part at the end:

Renault, the most safe car in the World.
Renault, the only brand in the world with eight five-star euro ncap (the most safe car in Europe).