>> ^Payback:
Milk is cheaper.

Okay, this is the crux of the problem.

WHY do people seem to think a renewable product, like milk, which can be produced as long as we can manage to keep cows alive and breeding, should be more expensive than petrol, which is not only a finite resource, but must be drilled out of the ground and processed heavily?

As peak oil comes and goes petrol will pass $20/gal, and then it will, poorly, and at much added cost, be replaces by something which is cheaper. Markets fix things, as late as possible, and at the greatest possible expense, but they do find solutions to problems of cost.

This will not go away, get yourself a job nearby and a fuel efficient car.

Ah, you mean the Shelbyville to Montreal's Springfield?


In reply to this comment by Krupo:
The other Canadian megalopolis down the 401

In reply to this comment by calvados:
Fo sho!

Where are you normally, friendo?

In reply to this comment by Krupo:
AH, I should've said hi when I was there last month. Next time!

In reply to this comment by calvados:
I actually already say my piece on my profile page, to wit:

Single white male, straight, now in his dirty thirties; Canadian, Quebecker, Montrealer; reservist infantryman, civilian air pilot, university student (edit: in History and Poli Sci). Likes: motorcycle riding, pints at the pub, being late to school. Dislikes: climate change, peak oil, running out of milk.

To that I'll add this: name's Jon, pleased to meetcha.

The other Canadian megalopolis down the 401

In reply to this comment by calvados:
Fo sho!

Where are you normally, friendo?

In reply to this comment by Krupo:
AH, I should've said hi when I was there last month. Next time!

In reply to this comment by calvados:
I actually already say my piece on my profile page, to wit:

Single white male, straight, now in his dirty thirties; Canadian, Quebecker, Montrealer; reservist infantryman, civilian air pilot, university student (edit: in History and Poli Sci). Likes: motorcycle riding, pints at the pub, being late to school. Dislikes: climate change, peak oil, running out of milk.

To that I'll add this: name's Jon, pleased to meetcha.

AH, I should've said hi when I was there last month. Next time!

In reply to this comment by calvados:
I actually already say my piece on my profile page, to wit:

Single white male, straight, now in his dirty thirties; Canadian, Quebecker, Montrealer; reservist infantryman, civilian air pilot, university student (edit: in History and Poli Sci). Likes: motorcycle riding, pints at the pub, being late to school. Dislikes: climate change, peak oil, running out of milk.

To that I'll add this: name's Jon, pleased to meetcha.

I actually already say my piece on my profile page, to wit:

Single white male, straight, now in his dirty thirties; Canadian, Quebecker, Montrealer; reservist infantryman, civilian air pilot, university student (edit: in History and Poli Sci). Likes: motorcycle riding, pints at the pub, being late to school. Dislikes: climate change, peak oil, running out of milk.

To that I'll add this: name's Jon, pleased to meetcha.

If I am accused me of polemics, I stand guilty as charged. But not without reason.

http://www.hennesseyingalls.com/hennessey/product.asp?dept_id=4155&pf_id=PAAAIADJFEHOJHBD&ad_id=froogle&key_id=BigandGreenTowardSustainableArchitectur
einthe21stCentury
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_architecture
http://www.wisebread.com/sustainable-architecture-and-design-a-book-review-of-living-homes
http://www.need.org/needpdf/infobook_activities/IntInfo/ConsI.pdf
http://www.wastewater.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_architecture
http://www.wisebread.com/sustainable-architecture-and-design-a-book-review-of-living-homes
http://cgi.ebay.com/Sustainable-Architecture-Low-Tech-Houses_W0QQitemZ170127281000QQihZ007QQcategoryZ378QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem?refid=store
http://www.cleancars.nh.gov/pdf/NHCPS.pdf
http://www.amazon.com/Green-Urbanism-Learning-European-Cities/dp/1559636823
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/7202410/claims.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_energy_building

I'm sorry my numbers can from a lecture at UNM. But a few of these links give reference to the outcome, you'll have to do the percentages yourself. I may have jumped the gun from 4% to 2%. I apologize. Remember that cars always drive no matter what the emissions register. The books are really worth checking out if you have the time. Sorry it's kind of a mishmash, but I'm sure you will work it out.

In reply to this comment by EDD:
I call bull on you, sir. Back up and reference your would-be data.

>> ^Bleedingsnowman:
If everyone switch to a hybrid car right now the effect on oil consumption would be less than 2%. If every skyscrapper in the country replaced its windows and slightly modified its design consumption would be reduced by more than 40%. We hear about hybrid cars because someone can make a profit off of it.

If I am accused me of polemics, I stand guilty as charged. But not without reason.

http://www.hennesseyingalls.com/hennessey/product.asp?dept_id=4155&pf_id=PAAAIADJFEHOJHBD&ad_id=froogle&key_id=BigandGreenTowardSustainableArchitectur
einthe21stCentury
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_architecture
http://www.wisebread.com/sustainable-architecture-and-design-a-book-review-of-living-homes
http://www.need.org/needpdf/infobook_activities/IntInfo/ConsI.pdf
http://www.wastewater.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_architecture
http://www.wisebread.com/sustainable-architecture-and-design-a-book-review-of-living-homes
http://cgi.ebay.com/Sustainable-Architecture-Low-Tech-Houses_W0QQitemZ170127281000QQihZ007QQcategoryZ378QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem?refid=store
http://www.cleancars.nh.gov/pdf/NHCPS.pdf
http://www.amazon.com/Green-Urbanism-Learning-European-Cities/dp/1559636823
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/7202410/claims.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_energy_building

I'm sorry my numbers can from a lecture at UNM. But a few of these links give reference to the outcome, you'll have to do the percentages yourself. I may have jumped the gun from 4% to 2%. I apologize. Remember that cars always drive no matter what the emissions register. The books are really worth checking out if you have the time. Sorry it's kind of a mishmash, but I'm sure you will work it out.

In reply to this comment by EDD:
I call bull on you, sir. Back up and reference your would-be data.

>> ^Bleedingsnowman:
If everyone switch to a hybrid car right now the effect on oil consumption would be less than 2%. If every skyscrapper in the country replaced its windows and slightly modified its design consumption would be reduced by more than 40%. We hear about hybrid cars because someone can make a profit off of it.

>> ^Skeeve:
She's hot, but she's also full of crap.


unless she's been eating lots of fiber...

I call bull on you, sir. Back up and reference your would-be data.

>> ^Bleedingsnowman:
If everyone switch to a hybrid car right now the effect on oil consumption would be less than 2%. If every skyscrapper in the country replaced its windows and slightly modified its design consumption would be reduced by more than 40%. We hear about hybrid cars because someone can make a profit off of it.

>> ^Skeeve:
She's hot, but she's also full of crap. There is an estimated 1.75 trillion barrels of conventional oil worldwide (mostly in Saudi Arabia). If we continue to use about 30 billion barrels of oil per year we would run out in 58 years. The Athabasca Oil Sands of Alberta, Canada has at least 1.7 trillion barrels of oil, doubling that rough estimate to 116 years. There is a further 235 billion barrels in the tar sands of Venezuela.
She says tar sands (among other energy sources) wont make up for a fraction of the oil we use but she should have checked the numbers - tar sands make up about 2/3 of the world's oil.
I totally agree that we should reduce our dependence on oil and work towards more efficient and more environmentally friendly sources of energy, but using the same inaccurate scare tactics that people have been using for decades is not the right way to do it.


The main reason the "scare tactics" aren't effective is because there's always a fleet of people who want to come out and say "That's not true! Everything's fine, we've got decades to worry about it! Why do anything until it's all gone?" People choose to believe the rosier picture. I guess that's human nature.

The reason she says tar sands won't make up the difference is because it's a lot harder to extract.

Case in point, from the Wikipedia page on the Athabasca Oil Sands of Alberta, it says that only 10% is able to be economically retrieved. That estimate is out of date, since that's based on an oil price of $69/barrel, and it's ~$125 right now. So, more oil will be extractable, but only because of the higher price.

You're also assuming fixed demand, but in reality demand is going up, and is expected to rise exponentially as nations like China and India start buying cars en masse.

The only reason we won't actually run out of oil is because we use a free market to distribute it. Given a diminishing supply, and rising demand, price will grow rapidly. People will have to curtail their use of oil, simply because they won't be able to afford to use it anymore.

If there's no comparably cheap alternative, there's going to be a global economic crash the likes of which we've never experienced. Cheap alternatives, if they can be found, will take years to develop, and decades to implement.

We knew all this in the 1970's, but decided not to invest in developing an alternative. Mostly because a bunch of people, backed by the oil industry, came out and made an argument essentially saying "eh, we've got a long time to worry about it, don't develop alternatives!"

Telling people the truth (a "scare tactic" of the worst kind) hasn't worked. She figured maybe men will listen if she does a sexy dance while speaking the truth.

Guess she'll have to try something else.

I've got some peak oil for her... hur hur hur.

In spite of the BEWBS she's very right. Try watching listening a second time, it helps and you have more blood for your head.

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Isn't there a kind of Moore's law for network capacity? Surely routers are getting faster, more fiber is laid, etc.

It reminds me a bit of peak oil- demand is way outstripping the supply of bandwidth.

My prediction is that network speed might get a bit shittier for everyone - technology will improve at a pace that keeps most people satisfied with their connections.

Technologies that companies like Akamai use to cache data globally so you retrieve it invisibly from the nearest point should help too.

If I'm watching YouTube videos, and my requests are all redirected to a Sydney cache- that reduced the global bandwidth quite a bit.

Peak oil is but another confabulatory creation, designed to raise the level of duress from concern to dire straights.....once we are "running out" of oil, our keepers will be that much better suited as the Power Rangers, to initiate further regulatory measures to contain the situation.....The situation that arises from the inevitability of stress associated with runaway inflation, terrorism threats (domestic or otherwise), and regions in turmoil that need our attention as powerful nations (talking to U.S.,soon to be NAU and you, EEC, remember when y'all we're kinna sovereign??) WTF people concerned about the environment will be soooooo happy once they realize the bliss they have always dreamed...That many more less horrible cars belching their evil monoxides and di-oxides....(their bliss having been a carefully implanted reaction to another carefully implanted idea....That man is destroying his own world with pollutants) No, you dumb motherfuckers, Dow, Monsanto, DuPont, and others in the know, are polluting the planet.....with the shit they manufacture, )including theories and expert promulgated data to tell you that you need, don't need, etc......(*mumbles-Goddamn offspring of hippie, tree-hugging idiots)

Less mobile people are easily controlled, easy to locate. Locating meatbots will be so efficient after "Peak Oil" reduces the amount of cars....soon to follow??? A convenient little locater implanted, of course, so you can know where your dogs and children are at all time....the inconvenient truth is that we are being played, all sides against the middle, till the keepers wrap this place up tight.....and keep it all for themselves.......


Peak Oil, is absolute Bullshit. But of course, CBS and the other owned disseminators of newsspeak, will begin to pump that shit daily- the duration from lies formulated to lies believed is becoming increasingly shorter as well, because morons are becoming easier and easier to convince, esp those with degrees from diploma-mill institutions of higher propaganda.....
The HOUR. A twenty-something, hip host, speaking to the concerned children of the future NWO......

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