Let's say the mall had a video camera that streamed video of the main atrium to their website. Plenty of places do that. Does she have a case then?

What if this had been in the background of a private citizen's cell phone video?

Is it that an employee of a company willfully selected and posted the video? Why does that strike us as wrong? There's no sound, and I think video is fair game as far as the law is concerned. And why should we assume that security camera video is private?

There is one dupe out there, so kill this if need be, but it has no sound and I think the sound adds quite a bit to this clip.

Heh, one of my kitties is sitting right next to me purring. It's a good accompaniment as the vid has no sound.

>> ^xxovercastxx:

Some of you people seem to really have it out for the guy on the left when you don't even understand the question to begin with. He seems to be the only person on the panel who understands the crux of the question... ultimately it comes down to "What definition of sound do you go by?"
If you define sound as vibrations in the air, then you'd say yes, the tree makes a sound.
If you define sound as the sensory experience of those vibrations, you'd say no, it makes no sound unless someone hears it.
They are both valid definitions of sound. See definitions 1 and 2 here: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sound
It doesn't mean the tree doesn't fall if nobody witnesses it.
By the way, light is invisible. You can't see it, only its effect on objects it strikes.
Also, that idiotic tool's name is John Lloyd. He's the creator of the show.


Like Stephen Fry said, given the second definition the point is moot since you can say a mechanical recorder can experience the vibration. If you admit that - and there is no reason you shouldn't except bad faith - then you can take it to the quantum level and say that every object around the falling tree is an observer and thus "hears" (is affected) by the vibrations. In fact, given the first definition, sound cannot exist without affecting something (the molecules in the air) thus by default there must always be at least one observer in order to even conceive of the possibility of the existence and transmission of a sound in the first place. Thus, whether there is a macroscopic observer is moot since there is always a quantum level one in the first place to produce anything (like the tree falling). Its a regression problem and in the end it comes to quantum probabilities: there is a small chance that no sound will be produced, but it is highly unlikely. You'd need an Infinite Improbability Drive to make sure you're there when the sound doesn't happen and be smug.

By the way, light is visible since what is visible is what you can see with your eyes. In fact, technically speaking the only thing you can see with your eyes is light. What you think you "see" (objects) are your interpretations of the light patterns on your retina. What light you can't see are those particles of light that are not converging on your retina, just as you can't see objects that are not in your field of vision or can't hear sounds that don't enter your eardrum. Doesn't mean you can't see anything or hear sounds now does it? Also, you can't ear supersonic vibrations, but your dog can. Thus you can't hear sounds? No, you can't hear supersonic vibrations. The same way you can't see ultraviolet light, but you can still see light. See? It doesn't matter what definitions you take, only that they all be on the same level of abstraction. Now do that with the second definition of sound and you see that you get solipsism. Thus the second definition of sound is not good for any kind of knowledge about the world. Why? Because it cannot explain the exteriority of the sound's provenance. The second meaning can only be a special usage reserved to neurology as a substitute for a more appropriate but cumbersome technical word, just as we still use "heat" to refer to the state of excitation in molecules.

Some of you people seem to really have it out for the guy on the left when you don't even understand the question to begin with. He seems to be the only person on the panel who understands the crux of the question... ultimately it comes down to "What definition of sound do you go by?"

If you define sound as vibrations in the air, then you'd say yes, the tree makes a sound.

If you define sound as the sensory experience of those vibrations, you'd say no, it makes no sound unless someone hears it.

They are both valid definitions of sound. See definitions 1 and 2 here: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sound

It doesn't mean the tree doesn't fall if nobody witnesses it.

By the way, light is invisible. You can't see it, only its effect on objects it strikes.

Also, that idiotic tool's name is John Lloyd. He's the creator of the show.

>> ^CaBhaal:

So, when you die in Minecraft, is it permadeath and you lose all your stuff? This is the second video I've seen of people dying and both had similar reactions.


No, it isn't permadeath, but all your stuff that you are carrying drops on the ground and you respawn at your spawn point. Depending how far away from your spawn point you are, your stuff may disappear before you can make it all the way back to it.

Those monsters, called Creepers, make no sound at all until they are right up on you exploding. They scare the shit out of me every time.

(no sound at work, haven't watched, commenting out my ass from other's comments)

Considering democracy comes down to the same sort of popularity contest seen in high school graduations, I don't think it died very hard. Democracy is based on the assumption that the person most attractive to you will do what's best for you. It really doesn't matter how it's supposed to work. It's what is there.

i call fake, a bolt that close would have no sound delay, and the very quiet reaction from the driver only further confuses the point. i'd be nearly shitting myself or at least saying "ooooo"

however, best comments ever. so many one liners!

Saw this ad on a tv that was on in a bar -- no sound, but just images.. both my date's and my jaw dropped...

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Are you playing out of one channel only?>> ^MaxWilder:

This video has NO sound for me. I can hear other videos on this site and other Vimeo videos, but not this one.

This video has NO sound for me. I can hear other videos on this site and other Vimeo videos, but not this one.

>> ^ponceleon:
I'm sorry, I must have missed something, what does the year have anything to do with any of my points? We have rather modern security cameras where I work and due to the volume of video they have to take, the quality is low and there is no sound (or perhaps it is because of the legal implications as someone else pointed out). Yes, there is a lot of fancy video surveillance equipment out there, but given that this was a bike rack at some no-name university, you really believe they are going to use night-vision, high-def, 30fps 24/7 video to secure that?
>> ^BoneRemake:
its 2010



Just saying, but modern HD security cams use video-motion-detection to start and stop recording. The same tech used in that web cam "game" where you can hit an on-screen beach ball. If it doesn't see movement, it records nothing. There was a sift in the last year of a guy driving his Town Car through a government office. Those cameras were like that, the system only recorded when the car or people were on-screen.

I'm sorry, I must have missed something, what does the year have anything to do with any of my points? We have rather modern security cameras where I work and due to the volume of video they have to take, the quality is low and there is no sound (or perhaps it is because of the legal implications as someone else pointed out). Yes, there is a lot of fancy video surveillance equipment out there, but given that this was a bike rack at some no-name university, you really believe they are going to use night-vision, high-def, 30fps 24/7 video to secure that?

>> ^BoneRemake:

its 2010

Wow, this is great news. No more being restricted by school policy on what you can install and so on. I remember when I was in high school we used to play Quacke 1 Deathmatch on one floppy so you didn't even have to install itjust run it from A:, no sound and 320x240 resolution but still... Fun times...
This is a paradigm change waiting to happen... oh wait, it just did...