I disagree with this.

Painting the mona lisa now wouldn't be very creative because it's already been done. This is just another tool. It's how people use that tool that will make it creative or mot.

Sure there will be lots of people doing boring derivative stuff with it, but show me an art form where this isn't the case.

And btw it takes out every bit of "creativity" and "art" from light painting too!
It's like "painting" the Mona Lisa with a color printer!

Okay, so you don't think there is a right way to eat it? Let me put it like this, the chef is creating a dish with a specific flavor in mind that he wishes you to experience. When you eat your sushi with a large amount of soy and wasabi, you are getting a completely different experience than what is intended. While this may be the experience that you find most enjoyable, it is still not the experience that was given to you and thus you have taken that experience away from the artist. Finger painting the Mona Lisa may be fun, but its not the picture Da Vinci gave us. By "wrong way" we are saying not the way intended by the artist. While you may feel this is incorrect, it is technically the intended way to experience the dish, and thus "right way" would be the correct phrasing.

This is not true, a hamburger for example is a experience of its parts. The toppings on a burger define it as much as the meat used, which is why we have burger joints littering the US with each having its own unique take on the burger.

Sushi is an experience of the fish, it is defined at its core by the delicate preparation and the art that goes into creating it. Each piece is created to stimulate the palate, and slopping on soy and wasabi would be the equivalent of saying the Mona Lisa would look better touched up with finger paints.

Eat it however you "like it", but don't begin to argue that its the right way to eat sushi.

Also Hipster implies that sushi is not mainstream, which isn't true, its very common in any areas with an ounce of culture and is easier to find that foods of other cultures (turkish and indian food are actually harder to find in my neck of the woods).

Thanks for the comments and kind words, really appreciate it.

First and foremost it's definitely about SEEING the skills being performed. The end result being on show e.g the painting, sculpture, cool machine etc isn't enough.

The focus is initially on two areas. First, dexterity, where people perform everyday actions in an incredible way and in the realm of craftsmanship.
The exception here is mostly musical - for example many people can play the guitar very, very well and there's not much to be gained therefore by including lots of music videos in the channel. And how well someone sings is definitely a matter of opinion. I'm not against a few masters of their art being included but the vast majority would not.

Secondly physical feats. There's a lot of skill to be seen in controlling and applying the human body in various ways. We already have some breakdancing because the skill level there is clearly high. Popping could also be added. Martial arts is looking to be popular but to avoid a flood I will try to only select the best (and eventually a martial arts channel will appear and I'd hate to have a lot of overlap).
The exception is mostly going to be professional sports where the skill level can be variable and a product of the team ethic. So most sport clips would not be in skillful though I can see a classic Messi goal getting in

So mental skills. That's really interesting and initially that sounds just fine to me. My concern is that if it's not externalised in some way then the video might not be that interesting. I'd like to see some example videos. Chess sounds good and so does world records because that's someone doing something exceptional. Great oratory might be more subject to debate and opinion particularly if you don't agree with what's being said. For that reason I suggest keeping those within politics/talks/comedy.
Another exception for this might be anything in the Magic channel. Where the underlying skills are partially hidden because the performer is trying to fool the audience.

Glad to have you onboard! I hope the above sounds reasonable but if it can be further modified then let me know what you think.

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Hey deano, this is probably my favourite channel. I've never even had a favourite channel before, because they never provided me with what i wanted.

So is it specifically for demonstrations of skill? As in, a video of the mona lisa is not skillful, but someone drawing the mona lisa, that's being skillful. But also, couldn't certain music videos be included then? Break dancing, body popping? Does it have to be practical skill? Could mental skill be involved? A game of chess, or perhaps Richard Feynmann videos? Oratory skill perhaps? What about world records and stuff?

Or is it like an overall feeling - if you feel like wow, they just did something incredible then it's skillful? But then i'd still need to know where you stand on mental skill.

Sorry to pepper you with questions, but it's the first time a channel has held any interest for me.

Hey deano, this is probably my favourite channel. I've never even had a favourite channel before, because they never provided me with what i wanted.

So is it specifically for demonstrations of skill? As in, a video of the mona lisa is not skillful, but someone drawing the mona lisa, that's being skillful. But also, couldn't certain music videos be included then? Break dancing, body popping? Does it have to be practical skill? Could mental skill be involved? A game of chess, or perhaps Richard Feynmann videos? Oratory skill perhaps? What about world records and stuff?

Or is it like an overall feeling - if you feel like wow, they just did something incredible then it's skillful? But then i'd still need to know where you stand on mental skill.

Sorry to pepper you with questions, but it's the first time a channel has held any interest for me.

@Matthu
@hpqp

So, after putting on my detective hat and going through advanced searches for a while (can you tell it's a Saturday and I'm happy to be at work?) here are the precedents I discovered.

Videos of the exact same event taken from different angles (same audio)

Wind Turbine Self-Destructing
http://www.videosift.com/video/Windmill-Destroyed-By-Wind (original)
http://videosift.com/video/Wind-turbine-self-destructs (potential dupe)

In this case the majority (6-4) barely decided it was not a dupe and it stayed.

Window Adjusts Lighting
http://videosift.com/video/Philips-Daylight-Window-Concept-Presentation (original)
http://www.videosift.com/video/Ambient-window-adjusts-lighting-hue-and-patterns (potential dupe)

In this case, kronosposeidon conceded the extra camera angles added nothing and left it up to Farhad2000 whether to declare it a dupe or not. Farhad apparently graciously decided not to.

Mythbusters paint the Mona Lisa with Paintballs
http://videosift.com/video/MythBusters-CPU-vs-GPU-or-Paintball-Cannons-are-Cool (original)
http://videosift.com/video/Mythbusters-Paint-the-Mona-Lisa-with-Paintballs (potential dupe)

In this case, the original garnered far more votes than the dupe, so there wasn't much controversy. Consensus seems to be that it is a dupe. However, to this day it remains Sifted.

Mentos and Diet Coke Explosion
http://www.videosift.com/video/Record-breaking-Mentos-and-Diet-Coke-Explosions (not sure)
http://videosift.com/video/Mentos-and-Coke-Light-World-Record-Attempt (not sure)

In this case, Maatc and Ant came to an amicable agreement in which they agreed to put links to each others' videos in the descriptions.

Suggestion

Precedent seems to be that the same event captured with different angles but containing the same audio is not a dupe. However, precedent also seems to suggest that most Sifters are gracious to each other and try to spread the votes around fairly. So, maybe each of you could put a link to each others' vids in your description and hopefully people who vote for one will go and vote for the other. Sound fair?

It's over-simplifying to say "there's a gene for reasoning". It's not like baking a cake.

Everything existed before it was invented. Mona Lisa is just a rearranging of elements that make up paint. An engine is just rearranging metals. Michelangelo's David is just marble cut out in a certain form.

Logic is a purely theoretical concept and of course that is "eternal". The idea of it existed before anyone really had the idea. You can argue that French existed before Frenchmen did - no one had ever used it, but in theory it existed before.

Nosepicking is a byproduct of us evolving mucus glands and hair in our nose to protect our airways from dust and dirt.

Some animals can do rudimentary reasoning too, like identifying which objects are dangerous. Learning from their mistakes as well. It is likely that earlier versions of humans were favored in the natural selection to have more offspring, and that's why we all have the big brain we have now. The only reason we don't see evolution in action, actively growing or shrinking our brains now, is that it's very slow. People are generally taller now than they were 3 generations ago - that's evolution in action. Taller people have more offspring, therefore we get taller on average - that's evolution by natural selection.

How does that not make sense to you? It makes far more sense to me than "god did it" or "it happened by chance" which are essentially the same argument.

This song in French is like feces on Mona Lisa.

>> ^shuac:

May I ask, respectfully, what the point of all this work is?


I would guess that the point was the challenge of reproducing a very popular song in a seemingly restrictive format. Like a sidewalk chalk drawing of the Mona Lisa, or a Lego version of the Leaning Tower of Pisa - to approach what is widely regarded as a great piece of art (in this case, modern music) and to pay homage to it in a format not envisioned by the original artist.

I would love to see those old pictures. I absolutely love this movie (liked the book), and I watch it periodically and probably always will. I'd be wary of a total breakdown doc like this tho, because, why dissect the Mona Lisa? Don't think I want to see someone pull back the curtain on this one.

Upvote for Mona Lisa thumbnail!

Edit:
Coincidentally, I just made a doctors appointment because of a pain in my right shin. So if its not cancer, I figure it must be a Caribbean parasite from where a big wasp bit me

Eh. Kind of neat I guess, but ultimately it's like drawing a mustache on the Mona Lisa.

I would grab the parachute then run back and grab the 10 mill, ferrari keys and then I'd jump. I'd keep the mona lisa on the plane because I don't give a fuck about it, it's probably hot anyway

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