10-15 IQ points BELOW AVERAGE?!? That means gorillas and birds may be more intelligent.

If this study is correct, and pedophilia is a brain disorder, that means by law we need to excise all pedophiles from prison and put them in treatment/mental hospitals. Suddenly, prosecuting pedophiles is a violation of the American disabilities act.
Putting people in prison/to death for physical deformities is not what we do in a free society.
I hope these findings are a step towards an effective treatment.

It does seem that we, as a society, are so disturbed by their actions that we create restrictions for them on release from prison that invariably put them back in, restrictions like where they can live, work, walk, who they can talk to, often not allowed to use computers, etc. It seems to me that if we're going to hold their crimes against them for life in that way, we should maybe simply make it a death penalty crime and quit pretending we think we can rehabilitate them when we don't really think that.

This seems woefully inefficient. A few tazers would have incapacitated him a lot quicker and more safely and woudn't have required 30 cops with riot shields. This guy was a threat and the longer the cops waited to subdue him, the more likely he was to hurt someone.

And now the guy's in a mental hospital (probably on taxpayer money), receiving treatment that probably won't work. If he is ever released or escapes, there's a fair chance that he'll hurt someone or do something dangerous. If he is never cleared for release, he'll continue to be a drain on resources while contributing nothing to society or the economy.

If any one of these psychotics was seen, individually, spouting their delusions on a street corner, they'd be quickly locked up in a mental hospital. Get them all together, and they are called a religion.
There is no excuse, in the 21st century, to be so ignorant. Ignorance is NOT bliss, it is a disease, and the sooner it is eradicated, the sooner we will be rid of bronze-age mythology which is intent on taking us back to the dark ages.

They even make tongue in cheek pokes at their own formula. House almost always has an epiphany moment, they have a close shot on his face and you see his expression change to eureka. A couple of times other characters have commented on it.

>> ^kasinator:

>> ^RFlagg:
I haven't watched since the first or second episode of whichever season he got out of the mental hospital. I got tired of the make wrong diagnoses 3 or 4 times then solve it formula. But a few clips of late have been making me think I should watch again.

Watching house for the mysteries is like watching The Dukes of Hazard for the plot. House is more about social commentary than medical drama. It's about how people deal with their pain weather physical, or emotional, one way or another. The whole undertone theme of House (other than "everyone lies") is pain as a whole is unavoidable. It governs our lives in every aspect of life, and even house, a man whose job is to pretty much make the pain go away has no way to avoid pain any more than anyone else. Everyone faces pain, and everyone lies. That is what House is about.

>> ^RFlagg:

I haven't watched since the first or second episode of whichever season he got out of the mental hospital. I got tired of the make wrong diagnoses 3 or 4 times then solve it formula. But a few clips of late have been making me think I should watch again.


Watching house for the mysteries is like watching The Dukes of Hazard for the plot. House is more about social commentary than medical drama. It's about how people deal with their pain weather physical, or emotional, one way or another. The whole undertone theme of House (other than "everyone lies") is pain as a whole is unavoidable. It governs our lives in every aspect of life, and even house, a man whose job is to pretty much make the pain go away has no way to avoid pain any more than anyone else. Everyone faces pain, and everyone lies. That is what House is about.

I haven't watched since the first or second episode of whichever season he got out of the mental hospital. I got tired of the make wrong diagnoses 3 or 4 times then solve it formula. But a few clips of late have been making me think I should watch again.

1. my nickname since age 6, translated into english, is "worm". no relation to dennis rodman
2. my first girlfriend's name was "buckwheat". she was 6 years older than me. she had long blonde straight hair that would smell of honey even through a cloud of shit
3. my upper front teeth are ceramic. i lost them in a bar fight, falling dead drunk on my face
4. you can't beat me at table soccer
5. i like jazz
6. i smoke a lot of weed, although i prefer hashish
7. I also deal, on and off. hence the constant supply ...
8. i was self-hospitalized to a mental hospital on 3 separate occasions for being fucking retarded
10. i'm bad at math
9. i used to do heroin for a few months. now i mostly pop pills. shrooms optional (and weed is not a drug - it's medicine)
11. i like sci-fi. and comics. and good movies. they make me feel there's hope for humanity after all
12. my all time fav sport's figure is michael jordan. i stopped watching nba after he left for good
14. i dislike nr. 13
15. i belive that at this evolutionary point in time we, as a human race, can not possibly hope to ever comprehend the true nature of reality we find ourselves in. lhc is a useless waste of money and effort
16. five years ago i got my driving licence revoked for dui
17. my penis is bent to the left. i blame masturbation
18. i never met my father. for all i know he could be lord vader
19. i like hitch-hiking
20. i lost my virginity to a fat girl. i only fuck skinny bitches from then on
21. i was brought up to be a catholic but i never really believed in anything. not even atheism
22. i hope there's no afterlife
23. unless there's 72 horny virgins waiting for me
24. i lie a lot
25. i would never ever go charter

@Porksandwich those all sound like good ideas. I especially like the idea of trying to make rehabilitation more of a core function of our justice system. It seems like once someone's been found guilty, society at large just writes them off as if they're no longer fully human.

The whole concept of justice and crime and punishment is just rife with deep philosophical questions.

Take A Clockwork Orange for example. What's the just way to deal with someone like Alex? Lock him up? Execute him? Brainwash him so he's rendered physiologically incapable of giving in to his dark impulses? But he's a special case, and clearly mentally ill. A mental hospital is almost certainly the right place for him.

How about someone like Scott Roeder, who murdered Dr. George Tiller for running an abortion clinic? He's probably not clinically insane, he's just acting in what he considers a highly moral fashion -- he's preventing the extermination of hundreds, if not thousands of innocent lives, by taking the life of one man, knowing that his life, and possibly even his immortal soul is forfeit in doing so. I say that's mental illness too, but there's more than a few people out there who think he's a hero and a martyr. Would it be serving justice if we could "cure" him of his convictions? I'm not entirely comfortable with that, but I don't see how he's safe to release back into society with his beliefs intact.

How about Lloyd Blankfein, or Tony Hayward? They gambled the lives and livelihoods of millions of people, knowing that it was a "heads I win", "tails they lose" situation. But that's their entire job function -- to find a way to exploit economic opportunities to make money, wherever they find them. Every pressure on them inside the company and within the culture they live in was for them to do the immoral, profitable thing. In this case, I think these guys' real crime is that they gave in to peer pressure, which is not exactly a tremendous moral failing. Shouldn't we blame those who pressured them? Maybe the entire social and economic structure that's designed to encourage this kind of behavior in the first place? What court can rule on that?

Instead, on VS, the only debate people seem to want to have is "are cops evil or not?"

Since when is life so black and white?

>> ^kagenin:

These people are just begging to be tazed.
I'm with the hospital staff. If someone is on a 72-hour suicide watch, it doesn't matter what their family thinks.


I may be a little more conservative than most but I think people should have the right to commit suicide. I don't think the state should have the right to hold (arrest) people for any amount of time unless they're a suspect in harming someone else, or they have information that someone besides themselves may be harmed.

You should have the right...nay the responsibility in taking yourself out of the gene pool.

lol at you guys trying to justify gratuitous violence. Police officer or not, you cannot hit someone else unless in self-defense. Obviously the girl was not a threat to the officer's life or even his physical integrity and neither was she resisting arrest or anything (she willfully entered the cell and took off her shoes when asked). Thus this should be automatic battery. Also, the officer should be forced to check into a mental hospital : being provoked by a 15 year old girl already inside a prison cell is really immature to say the least.

I have a lot of guns and have to say this is all horse shit.

You have to go to court or have a magistrate sign off that you are mentally incompetent and are committed (involuntarily) to a mental hospital for more than 30 days. It's on 4473 question 12f. This is paranoid horseshit.

If you really believe the gubbermint is going to take your guns in the middle of the night because you take Adderall for your spazzy self to function, shoot yourself.

Luther (David Patrick Kelly) also played Benjamin Horne's brother, Jerry, on the t.v. series Twin Peaks and was also a patient in the mental hospital in the movie K-Pax. yes, i am chock full of useless information.

>> ^imstellar28:
You all realize that this man didn't kill, rape, molest, or even touch a kid right? All he did was take a hard drive which he owns, and program a series of 1's and 0's into it. If you think altering the surface of a hard drive is a crime, you've either got your head so far up your ass that you can't see past your nose or you are just dying to suck off the next authority figure you come across.
Below is a 10 pixel by 10 pixel illegal image which I just downloaded off limewire and uncompressed as a binary string. Hope you don't have your cache enabled or you're all going to prison!
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your argument is not valid . Say i secretly took a photograph of naked children using a digital camra , it would not be fair for me to use in my defence that all i did was capture the light data and store it in 1s and 0s.

or say im a paedophile that collects "real" images of naked children but I store them as highly realistic drawings.

the piont is I would be in possession of "pedophilic" images and as far as the law goose I would be guilty of possession the format data is stored in is irrelivent. Although what I think you were getting at is that all that matters is intent and I would agree with that , but its hard to prove and disprove intent legally.


now personally I think there is a huge difference in downloading and sharing paedophic content over actually making it and for example pedophilic drawings that are purely imginated.
I dont think there is neceserraly a corsal link from sharing henti or child porn and abusing children directly , i do think that if you get off on child porn then you should seek help or get help if you wanted to actualy abuse sumone against there will.

for example people that draw and share bestiality , and furry porn enjoyers might not ever actually want sex with the animals its more the idea and the idea often dose not conform with reality in real life animals smell and are stupid and shit themselfs , im pritty sure that manny people that are into furry stuff would not ever have sex with a real creature for these reasons ( although there will also be some who will want sex with creatures specificly for these reasons) It will be the same for pedophilic images some people will just like the fantasized idea of having sex with young people but because in reality it would actually hurt and mentally damage sum one against there will they would never do it. If you actively share real images of children I think you should be stopped as those images at the route did damage to sum one and were acquired against the child's knowledge and will. If you share drawings that were from the imagination then I don't see a problem with it, unless sum one could show me a causal link with looking at henti and then that making you want to abuse real children .


in short the only time something should be illegal is if it dose significant harm to others and yourself or takes away others or your own basic freedoms.

as for this case if the guy is telling the trouth then its utter bullshit, if the guy is lying then he should go to a mental hospital and learn how to controle and deal with bing a pedophile.

standard prison is no help to society or this guy ether way.

From IMDB:

"The Simpsons" Stark Raving Dad (1991)
Season 3, Episode 1
Plot: Homer accidentally lands in a mental hospital and ends up sharing a cage with a white man who thinks he's Michael Jackson.