The Nazi Party created lots of propaganda. True.
The Republican Party creates lots of propaganda. [Have you ever heard of Fox News?] True.

Right. And since the nazis wore hats, and some Republicans wear hats, Republicans are therefore nazis.

BTW, if Fox is "biased" what the hell is all the rest of the media (matters) and hollywood?

If you don't think your 'side', be it Green or Taxocrat or Whatever does not employ propaganda and dirty tricks, you've got some studying to do.

In what way was he being violent to compare two political parties and their use of flat out lies?

Here's a riddle

Q: Why did the moonbat mention nazis when nazis had nothing to do with anything?
A: Because accusations of "racism" were already taken.

He didn't say "And you know what happened to those Nazis.. Our Allied Troops slaughtered as many as possible."

He didn't even raise his voice for fuck's sake.

So?

You're probably the only member to have over 200 videos of completely pointless stuff in her or his personal queue like this.

Take a hint buddy.


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>> ^quantumushroom:

Good to know she still sticks in the left's craw.
Media Matters = George Soros operation


Kinda like how Obama sticks in the right's craw?

Let's see. The lefts' complaint against Palin is that she's ill-informed and unqualified. Many of these things check out and have evidence backing them up.

The rights' complaint against Obama is that he is a secret muslim, wasn't born in the US, he hates white people...and he's black.

Well...at least you can prove one of those.

>> ^quantumushroom:
Good to know she still sticks in the left's craw.
Media Matters = George Soros operation


You mean like how Hitler sticks in the Jew's craw? Either comment (mine or yours) is ficticious, because conservatives and libers hate her too. She def sticks in my craw, because she is big government *lite*...

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^quantumushroom:
Good to know she still sticks in the left's craw.
Media Matters = George Soros operation

I can understand you don't like the owner of a organization so you would paint that organization as negative. However you can look at the evidence and show that she's just plain lying or ignorant on almost every subject. This isn't a subjective or political thing you can be objective about someones stating facts and hers simply don't match up.
That brings up a bigger issue of the media and how everyone has a voice...there's always a side to the story. Some sides just aren't equal...some people are idiots and should be exposed as such. I'm sorry but equal time and patience should not be given to people just because they have an opinion...some peoples opinions they have a right to have...to themselves and not be broadcast into our living rooms constantly.


We've already tried this argument with Creationists, and look how far that's getting us.

>> ^quantumushroom:

Good to know she still sticks in the left's craw.
Media Matters = George Soros operation


I can understand you don't like the owner of a organization so you would paint that organization as negative. However you can look at the evidence and show that she's just plain lying or ignorant on almost every subject. This isn't a subjective or political thing you can be objective about someones stating facts and hers simply don't match up.

That brings up a bigger issue of the media and how everyone has a voice...there's always a side to the story. Some sides just aren't equal...some people are idiots and should be exposed as such. I'm sorry but equal time and patience should not be given to people just because they have an opinion...some peoples opinions they have a right to have...to themselves and not be broadcast into our living rooms constantly.

Good to know she still sticks in the left's craw.

Media Matters = George Soros operation

Check out Media Matters' review of the book. It's worth the read.

I feel I must inform you that, "Oh yeah - well - uh - you suck HA" is not a valid argument. You ask. I supply. You may not like the facts, but you have as yet supplied no information to dispute them. Wait - let me guess... These results are invalid, but the Media Matters poll talking about "What Republicans Believe" is OK, right?

@NetRunner
Nothing in that other video changes the fact that they are editing the documents that they are "leaking" and that is the only thing I object to.

@shole (no pun intended)
Yes, I watched the video. Not the point. Having Wikileaks decide what is the "facts" and what is relevant or "unnecessary" is just as bad as any other media group doing it. The fact that they admit doing it for "political impact" does not help. When someone approaches a video (or any other document) with the mindset of editing it for a specific purpose, then they have made every frame, every image, every sound and every word spoken in their finished product suspect. It doesn't matter how noble their cause. This is the exact sort of thing that media matters and other organizations cover daily. The willful manipulation of reality.

Wikileaks was regarded as a neutral party that anyone from any governmental or political affiliation could release confidential or secret data to without fear. Now they have revealed themselves as an organization that will (in my mind, for money) take any leaked material and purposefully edit it to create the "maximum possible political impact" the "leaker" intended.

Professional analyst lol. You throw that around a lot like it means something.

There is no "vast majority" of Americans who think that Obama is truly a socialist, except perhaps in your imagination. The Tea Party, as a movement, is a fraction of a percent of the population of the country. Even if every person who voted against him believed him to be a socialist, you'd still be in the minority.

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:

It's not just that Fox News and the people on the network (and those like Limbaugh) have the gall to say these things, it's that people like you are here and ready to defend it.
This is a simplistic position, and one I deem vacant of true substance. In it you are wilfully choosing to ignore the many truths hanging on the rhetorical hyperbole. The real reason people believe 'lies' (as you call them) about Obama is not because other people defend the lies. It is because they observe Obama's BEHAVIOR, and conclude the lies are not so much 'lies' as they are permutations or extrapolations of truth. This is common in politics and practiced by both sides with equal fervor. So when folks come along and choose to act all offended at what is happening to Obama, it is ignored (justifiably) as partisan blindness because the very same people were the cheerleaders of such behavior less than 15 months ago. You can't have it both ways.
Like the "socialist" tag. Calling Obama a socialist isn't a lie, because his actions, behaviors, philosophy, outlook, history, colleagues, friends, training, education and policies all mark him as a socialist. So while you may take personal umbrage and chafe at the bald-faced, accusatory nature of the charge coming from those you disagree with, the vast majority of American's are able to match up his behavior with the accusation, and note that there is meat on the bones.
As far as the poll is concerned... It is a Media Matters poll. I've seen it, and as a professional analyst, dismissed it as hopelessly biased. It was designed to get the exact results it did, and is therefore invalid as an instrument. Cherry picking quotes from talking heads that most actual voters don't listen is the epitome of correlation not equaling causation.

Media Matters. Pretty sharp organization.

People like Bill O'Reilly, Beck, and Hannity consider them "biased" and "far-left."

Why?

For the sin of exposing their many blatant and obvious lies.

You can't find many instances of Media Matters rigging the truth.

Would anyone care to, you know, set me straight?

It's not just that Fox News and the people on the network (and those like Limbaugh) have the gall to say these things, it's that people like you are here and ready to defend it.

This is a simplistic position, and one I deem vacant of true substance. In it you are wilfully choosing to ignore the many truths hanging on the rhetorical hyperbole. The real reason people believe 'lies' (as you call them) about Obama is not because other people defend the lies. It is because they observe Obama's BEHAVIOR, and conclude the lies are not so much 'lies' as they are permutations or extrapolations of truth. This is common in politics and practiced by both sides with equal fervor. So when folks come along and choose to act all offended at what is happening to Obama, it is ignored (justifiably) as partisan blindness because the very same people were the cheerleaders of such behavior less than 15 months ago. You can't have it both ways.

Like the "socialist" tag. Calling Obama a socialist isn't a lie, because his actions, behaviors, philosophy, outlook, history, colleagues, friends, training, education and policies all mark him as a socialist. So while you may take personal umbrage and chafe at the bald-faced, accusatory nature of the charge coming from those you disagree with, the vast majority of American's are able to match up his behavior with the accusation, and note that there is meat on the bones.

As far as the poll is concerned... It is a Media Matters poll. I've seen it, and as a professional analyst, dismissed it as hopelessly biased. It was designed to get the exact results it did, and is therefore invalid as an instrument. Cherry picking quotes from talking heads that most actual voters don't listen is the epitome of correlation not equaling causation.

A more apt question might be, "Why do so many Democrats discuss polls from Media Matters as if they had credibility?"

To be frank about this - why lie when the truth is better? Back in the 00s, Democrats created a whole bunch of talking points about Bush, Rove & their agenda items. Horror stories of the military industrial complex, deficits, debt, neocons, and such were easy to sell to the left because there was some truth to it. Bush did hike military spending, increase the deficit, run up debt, and philosophically tilted towards pro-Israel foreign policy. There was meat on the Democrat propoganda bones. Like all demagogues, there was ridiculousness mixed in - but the core wasn't all that off the mark.

"Lies about Obama..." So far they aren't so much lies as they are very slight exaggerations. The GOP says Obama is socialist, is running up unsupportable debt, is taking over key industries, wants single-payer health care, energy taxes, illegal amnesty, and so on. So far I'm not seeing anything that disproves those as 'lies' any more than Democrats were 'lying' about Bush.

As far as I can tell, what the GOP is saying about Obama's agenda is just about spot on. The icky health care bill is indeed designed to wipe out private insurance and redistribute wealth while not saving money at all. Obama is warming up to hit the entire US with pointless energy taxes next. He's already leaking talking points for illegal amnesty. He's already 'bailed out' big labor pension plans using the TARP money, and is looking like he's out to use more funds to bail out other labor goons including the Teacher's union & state pensions. The CBO just released a projection that by 2020, 90% of the entire nation's GDP will be needed to meet government obligations. Please explain how the GOP is wrong in their analysis of Barak Obama as a radical leftist, socialist, big government tax & $pender who is well on the way to ruining the economy.

Since when has "I read somewhere" or "Heard he" been enough for you to believe someone else?

Well if you can trust Wikipedia. I tend to frame what I hear on Wiki as 'I've heard' because some of it is trustworthy and some isn't. But this seems legit enough. Seems he gave at least 400,000 last year of his own cash.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh#Charitable_work

As for the other stuff - I've looked around and I can find no substantiation to the claim that Limbaugh said, "Do not donate." That appears to be a very 'out of context' comment where he said, "If you're going to donate do it outside the government." The comment he made in no way appears to tell people not to donate to Haiti. He appears to have said, "The government won't do a good job, so if you want to donate then do it some other way." He also went on to say that our taxes already paid for whatever money the US is donating (true), and that people who donate would probably end up on a White House mailing list. But I can't find anywhere he said "Don't donate". That is what seems to be a typical misrepresentation.

Now granted, Limbaugh must know that this sort of stuff is going to happen so you think he'd be better about choosing his words - but with Media Matters & other lib places constantly waiting for quotes to lift out of context (and 15 hours a week of talk to winnow) it must be next to impossible to avoid controversy.

And Obama is doing a good job compared to Bush? Pht. The reports indicate roving gangs, violence, starvation, piled corpses, doctors fleeing for safety, unrest, fear, and death. And WHERE exactly is Obama today? In Massachusetts trying to save the Democrat senate seat of Kennedy from going to a Republican. With all the harping on "Where was Bush? Why wasn't here there for a few days? Why did it take so long?" it is more than fair to level the same accusations at Obama as were being leveled at Bush. The Democrats & liberals were the ones to start this game of politicizing disasters and death. How exactly is it fair to harp on Bush for being insensitive when his delays were caused by local Democrat political incompetence, but Obama's delays because of his focus on a single Senate seat is not fair?

And yes - I donated to Haiti through a private organization (the smartest way to donate). Did YOU?

Yeah, Yogi - doesn't really make them look reputable. To me, it looked like they just snagged out bits and pieces of Media Matters type segments at the beginning... Which yeah, it looks kinda slapped together.

But still... my response to it remains:

PWNT!!11!11

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