>> ^radx:

He's rather nervous, isn't he? Admittedly, if there's something to it, he'll be floating down the Thames soon enough.
Normally, I'd say noone is stupid enough to try a fraud based on these blatantly preposterous figures. Then again, they did find $6T worth of fake US bonds last week, so anything goes, apparently.
I bet those 750 thousand tonnes of gold were shipped and Somali pirates snatched 'em.
Or maybe they were FedEx'ed and Tom Hanks and Wilson are now building a mansion with it on some godforsaken island in the middle of nowhere, like Guernsey.


Jesus turned the gold to paper, then Heath Ledger collected it into a large pile and burnt it all.
I submit my proof: http://videosift.com/video/Everything-Burns

He's rather nervous, isn't he? Admittedly, if there's something to it, he'll be floating down the Thames soon enough.

Normally, I'd say noone is stupid enough to try a fraud based on these blatantly preposterous figures. Then again, they did find $6T worth of fake US bonds last week, so anything goes, apparently.

I bet those 750 thousand tonnes of gold were shipped and Somali pirates snatched 'em.

Or maybe they were FedEx'ed and Tom Hanks and Wilson are now building a mansion with it on some godforsaken island in the middle of nowhere, like Guernsey.

Example?

You want to see everyone get equal housing, so you threaten, cajole, bribe, extort and entice the government pawns to do your bidding. Have them put a gun to the head of banks (while assuring them it's not loaded) and order them to start giving bad housing loans to people whom it's known will not repay them. Promise the guilty they will never have to pay for creating these disasters, the reliable taxpayer will be there to clean up the mess.

Then when the house of cards collapses, you can always shrug off the blame to "greed", ignoring your role in creating unnatural, unstable opportunities...you're just a humble guy with good intentions who wanted the bums to all have their own mansions.

Soulpatch is on to something...if only he knew what...

those celebs are usually huge money spenders with luxury cars and mansions, who hire someone to watch their money for them.

I could be wrong obviously, but I doubt this is the case.

Ditto fucking love Rollins talking about fucking anything. Bonus points for being totally right here. I remember a story someone told me about the Black Eyed Peas being completely awesome in Brazil for years before some record company said "We'll produce your records if you take this Fergie Bitch" and they agreed. One they had already been awesome for years and years, time to get paid and think about your kids and your future and your retirement. Maybe not ridiculously 5 mansions paid, but paid none the less, who wouldn't take that?

Well... because the state provides very little in the US, the minimum wage should be a lot higher, considering people have to pay for health care from their own pocket, and it's not cheap either. Also, considering the price of sending a kid to college in the US, it should be even higher.

For me, and this is simply my opinion, 1 wage should be enought to support 2 people. Pay food and utilities for a month, pay the rent or mortgage (of a suitable house for 2 people, obviously a mansion would be too much), pay the car (obviously not a ferrari), pay for health care, and still have some left to put away, and little to be able to use on "luxuries" (like going to the movies, eating out, etc).
Paying people less than that, especially when the company paying the wages is very profitable, is not only disgusting, it should be illegal.

In europe, since we don't have to pay for health insurance, and tuition for college is about 900€ per semester, we can do with less.


>> ^bobknight33:

Just asking. What is a living wage from your point of view?

>> ^shagen454:
This is the problem. My parents cite this too, they say You do not want to tax the companies or the rich or they will leave. So what? Fuck them. If they wont pay a suitable living wage and feel they are being taxed too much then GET THE FUCK OUT. It is time for this country to rebuild with an ethical conscious at the heart of it.

>> ^hpqp:

Cutting the opportunity for middle and lower classes to get educated (and, you know, stay alive thanks to healthcare) is the BEST way to let our future be continually in the hands of rich people living in mansions far far away.
>> ^marbles:
>> ^ghark:
"Paul, a longtime critic of federal spending not authorized by the Constitution, calls for eliminating the federal Education, Commerce, Energy, Interior, and Housing and Urban Development Departments.
He also wants to abolish the Transportation Security Agency, end corporate subsidies, plus eliminate all foreign aid and spending on wars in Iraq and Afghanistan."
I noticed he wants to cut the corporate tax rate to 15% as well.
No public education, no healthcare, rich pay less taxes and get richer.
Sounds exciting.

It is exciting. Is there any other candidate even saying we should end corporate welfare, let alone proposing a budget doing so?
The corporate tax rate helps small business owners. Corporations pay little to no taxes now as it is. Exemptions and offshore loopholes only work for big business. And the only candidate that wants to get rid of the corrupt tax system is Paul.
No public education and no healthcare are false arguments. Our future and our health shouldn't be decided by imperial government agents living in a mansion far far away.
Everybody pays less taxes, and we all prosper.



Who's cutting opportunities? Oh, yes. You live in the bizarro world where taking from some people (denying them opportunities) is actually providing opportunities for others. At best, you can hope for a net loss (and net gain) of 0 opportunities. In reality, we have to rely on financing the future of our children just to stay ahead. So how did those "rich people living in mansions" get so rich? By finding a niche in this corrupt system or succeeding in spite of it? In the real world, the only real opportunities are ones you recognize for yourself. Helping our fellow man should be our duty, but coercion by the barrel of a gun is tyranny.

Supporting the status quo is the BEST way to let our future be continually in the hands of the few.

Cutting the opportunity for middle and lower classes to get educated (and, you know, stay alive thanks to healthcare) is the BEST way to let our future be continually in the hands of rich people living in mansions far far away.

>> ^marbles:

>> ^ghark:
"Paul, a longtime critic of federal spending not authorized by the Constitution, calls for eliminating the federal Education, Commerce, Energy, Interior, and Housing and Urban Development Departments.
He also wants to abolish the Transportation Security Agency, end corporate subsidies, plus eliminate all foreign aid and spending on wars in Iraq and Afghanistan."
I noticed he wants to cut the corporate tax rate to 15% as well.
No public education, no healthcare, rich pay less taxes and get richer.
Sounds exciting.

It is exciting. Is there any other candidate even saying we should end corporate welfare, let alone proposing a budget doing so?
The corporate tax rate helps small business owners. Corporations pay little to no taxes now as it is. Exemptions and offshore loopholes only work for big business. And the only candidate that wants to get rid of the corrupt tax system is Paul.
No public education and no healthcare are false arguments. Our future and our health shouldn't be decided by imperial government agents living in a mansion far far away.
Everybody pays less taxes, and we all prosper.

>> ^ghark:

"Paul, a longtime critic of federal spending not authorized by the Constitution, calls for eliminating the federal Education, Commerce, Energy, Interior, and Housing and Urban Development Departments.
He also wants to abolish the Transportation Security Agency, end corporate subsidies, plus eliminate all foreign aid and spending on wars in Iraq and Afghanistan."
I noticed he wants to cut the corporate tax rate to 15% as well.
No public education, no healthcare, rich pay less taxes and get richer.
Sounds exciting.


It is exciting. Is there any other candidate even saying we should end corporate welfare, let alone proposing a budget doing so?

The corporate tax rate helps small business owners. Corporations pay little to no taxes now as it is. Exemptions and offshore loopholes only work for big business. And the only candidate that wants to get rid of the corrupt tax system is Paul.

No public education and no healthcare are false arguments. Our future and our health shouldn't be decided by imperial government agents living in a mansion far far away.

Everybody pays less taxes, and we all prosper.

in his defense..there ARE lazy people out there..I've met them, I've worked with them. but they're the exception, not the rule. You don't base national policy on what that small percentage of people MIGHT do.

Most people want to go out there and make a difference. They're just sick and tired that their quality of life being determined by their workplace. They're sick and tired of their livelihoods being threatened by people they will never meet.

There are certain things _all_ Americans deserve regardless of whether or not they work, regardless of how much money they make.

You want your gold-plated back-scratcher? then yeah, you gotta work for that. You want that second house or that yacht? Then yeah, work for it. What the right refuses to believe that there are PLENTY of people who have ZERO desire to be rich. They don't want mansions, they don't want expensive cars, they don't want elaborate furnishings. They just want healthcare, they don't want to be bankrupt if they get a major illness, they want education, they WANT a job that isn't going to treat them like shit. No one wants to be a second class citizen.

It's true. When a rich guy has a tough time, he has to sell his fifth mansion.. THE HORROR.

Part of your writing is about what happened and the rest is about what you believe. Are the rich universally callous a-holes who care nothing about their employees? Some are like that, others ain't. Capitalism is like a military tank; it's better to be riding in the turret than getting caught under the treads.

Historically there appears to be more misery when taxocrats run the show than repubs. Why, what's stopping His Earness from announcing he loves socialism and implementing a carbon copy of the European model (have you see Greece lately)?

Not that I have much stake in defending them, but the wealthy pay the most taxes in America, despite the cheaters, that's fact. The bottom 50% don't even pay income tax but suck up plenty of "free" goodies.

There's a moral basis for making others pay a fair share of taxes, but not the lion's share.



>> ^RFlagg:

Let me tell you about "Employers". My former employer, just prior to the Presidential election sent out a memo saying that if Obama won the election and put his tax plan into effect he would have to fire 300 some people. Obama of course won, and even before Obama took the oath of office, they fired on the order of 380 people and told the rest that we wouldn't get a raise that year because the cost of living went down so much. He then went out and bought a private jet and another mansion in Glenmoor (a high end gated Arnold Palmer designed golf community) to add to the one he already had there (the second largest in Glenmoor) and his place on Miami Beach among others. A new year for the companies health care plan rolls around and the rates were supposed to go up 22% (the same amount as last year, but this is not mentioned the memo) but they held the line at only a 5% increase (again just like last year but not mentioned in the memo); the very next sentience of the memo about the health care cost increase goes to say how the company disagrees with Obama's costly health care plan as if it had anything to do with the insurance rate increases that year (one should note it is deceptive stuff like that which they put in their marketing which is why they can't do business in FL, PA, CA and a few others). Then when the Ohio governorship is up for election he sends another memo out talking how under Ted Strickland the company lost 380+ jobs and that we should vote for John Kasich. John Kasich wins and the owner fires 230+ people and once again no raises for anyone. 600+ people out of work but guess who still has his private jet. And it isn't like he is a rare case. Aside from the memos of voter intimidation he is typical of the rich and what they think of their employees. He has been given huge tax credits and incentives from the state, county and cities, but he still hasn't hired many people, and as a matter of fact fired over 600 people (far exceeding those hired by several hundred still) and pocketed the savings so he could get a jet. So don't believe or spread the lie that if we give the rich tax breaks or more money it will eventually help the working class. 30 years of trickle down economics has proven that doesn't happen. Of course you Republicans won't let facts stand in the way of robing the working class to support the rich, and using the media to tell them it is for their own good... sadly too many of the American public is too brain dead to realize they are being coned.
People like that guy is who the Republicans are all about rather blatantly, at least the Democrats pretend to care about the working class even if they don't have the balls to stand up to the Republicans or the rich. Some of the more caring Democrats have a plan that would balance the budget 10 to 20 years faster than the Republican plan, all without cuts to essential services to the working poor. If the Republicans really wanted to balance the budget as they say, and cut spending as they say, then they would go with the People's Budget, but since that cuts into Republican funded things like Tarp and cuts the military budget and raises taxes on the upper 2% they won't have it. Of course Obama and the majority of the Democrats are too chicken to support it themselves...

Let me tell you about "Employers". My former employer, just prior to the Presidential election sent out a memo saying that if Obama won the election and put his tax plan into effect he would have to fire 300 some people. Obama of course won, and even before Obama took the oath of office, they fired on the order of 380 people and told the rest that we wouldn't get a raise that year because the cost of living went down so much. He then went out and bought a private jet and another mansion in Glenmoor (a high end gated Arnold Palmer designed golf community) to add to the one he already had there (the second largest in Glenmoor) and his place on Miami Beach among others. A new year for the companies health care plan rolls around and the rates were supposed to go up 22% (the same amount as last year, but this is not mentioned the memo) but they held the line at only a 5% increase (again just like last year but not mentioned in the memo); the very next sentience of the memo about the health care cost increase goes to say how the company disagrees with Obama's costly health care plan as if it had anything to do with the insurance rate increases that year (one should note it is deceptive stuff like that which they put in their marketing which is why they can't do business in FL, PA, CA and a few others). Then when the Ohio governorship is up for election he sends another memo out talking how under Ted Strickland the company lost 380+ jobs and that we should vote for John Kasich. John Kasich wins and the owner fires 230+ people and once again no raises for anyone. 600+ people out of work but guess who still has his private jet. And it isn't like he is a rare case. Aside from the memos of voter intimidation he is typical of the rich and what they think of their employees. He has been given huge tax credits and incentives from the state, county and cities, but he still hasn't hired many people, and as a matter of fact fired over 600 people (far exceeding those hired by several hundred still) and pocketed the savings so he could get a jet. So don't believe or spread the lie that if we give the rich tax breaks or more money it will eventually help the working class. 30 years of trickle down economics has proven that doesn't happen. Of course you Republicans won't let facts stand in the way of robing the working class to support the rich, and using the media to tell them it is for their own good... sadly too many of the American public is too brain dead to realize they are being coned.
People like that guy is who the Republicans are all about rather blatantly, at least the Democrats pretend to care about the working class even if they don't have the balls to stand up to the Republicans or the rich. Some of the more caring Democrats have a plan that would balance the budget 10 to 20 years faster than the Republican plan, all without cuts to essential services to the working poor. If the Republicans really wanted to balance the budget as they say, and cut spending as they say, then they would go with the People's Budget, but since that cuts into Republican funded things like Tarp and cuts the military budget and raises taxes on the upper 2% they won't have it. Of course Obama and the majority of the Democrats are too chicken to support it themselves...

Thanks. I knew something was wrong but I was too lazy to go looking to fix it.

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