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Redacted History: the Ludlow Massacre (w/Howard Zinn)

AGBH7 says...

Hi ,
My name is Alexis and I'm in 8th grade.In my school district,all honors kids are required to do a Social Studies called NHD. NHD is a nationwide competition that kids compete in! The topic is Rights ad Responsibilities in History! My topic is: How rights and responsibilities were violated in Colorado Coal Strike of 1913 and the Ludlow Massacre! In this video you have really nice footage that would go great in my documentary! I was wondering if I would be able to use some of it for my video(like footage)? I would give you total credit in my bibliography page!
Please reply ASAP,
Thanks:)

Enzoblue (Member Profile)

enoch says...

In reply to this comment by Enzoblue:
Ok, I'll do it.

What you guys are failing to understand is that pure capitalism regulates itself. Every problem we have now is because of government intervention in the free market. Most of the very big companies we have today got there by enlisting the governments help. The "winds of history" tell a sordid tale of large companies using the government to help them meet their ends. Even to the point of using the military against civilians as in the Pullman strike and the Ludlow massacre.

Monopolies would only exist in the free market if that company consistently had a better quality products at better prices than any single smaller company, which is virtually impossible without stuff like government enforced patents etc. (Imagine a world without patents for a minute, it's fun.) What big companies do now is quash smaller companies by using the government to, for example, get laws past that favor their model or labor laws passed that favor their workers over their competitors - tons of ways. Also by enlisting the government to work internationally, sometimes with wars, sometimes assassinations, coups etc as with Exxon and United Fruit.

It's a racket, pure and simple. Why make a better product at less profit if you can force people to buy what you have with an FDA ruling? Why pay top dollar for a quality forest when you can get it in a deal with a friendly government installed by your government? Stuff like that.

Edit:

Ask yourself why orange juice is so damned expensive. 3 to 4 dollars a gallon? The stuff grows on trees, the trees grow like weeds, you can get what.. 20-30 gallons a tree?? The answer is that orange juice owners want to be filthy rich. The asked for the governments help and they got it. Our government uses YOUR tax dollars to pay orange tree farmers to destroy parts of their crops in order to reduce supply and keep the prices up. If the government wasn't involved, orange juice would be 50 cents a gallon and the orange juice owners would only be moderately well off. Think about it.



fucking right on man.well said.

MSNBC Host Attacks Peter Schiff on The Ed Show - 8/6/09

RedSky says...

>> ^Enzoblue:
Ok, I'll do it.
What you guys are failing to understand is that pure capitalism regulates itself. Every problem we have now is because of government intervention in the free market. Most of the very big companies we have today got there by enlisting the governments help. The "winds of history" tell a sordid tale of large companies using the government to help them meet their ends. Even to the point of using the military against civilians as in the Pullman strike and the Ludlow massacre.
Monopolies would only exist in the free market if that company consistently had a better quality products at better prices than any single smaller company, which is virtually impossible without stuff like government enforced patents etc. (Imagine a world without patents for a minute, it's fun.) What big companies do now is quash smaller companies by using the government to, for example, get laws past that favor their model or labor laws passed that favor their workers over their competitors - tons of ways. Also by enlisting the government to work internationally, sometimes with wars, sometimes assassinations, coups etc as with Exxon and United Fruit.


First paragraph I agree, I remember reading the vast majority of the wealthiest companies in the world had benefited massively at some point or another from government bailout. Government favouritism and special interests groups twisting policy towards their interests is certainly undesirable but it's not a mandate for abolishing government intervention altogether.

Without the the enforcement of anti-collusion legislation, industries, particularly those with only a few firms would all agree to mark up their products to extract additional revenue to the detriment of the consumer. Those firms would then also ensure that would be rivals keep up by setting up large barriers to entry, creating exclusive deals with their suppliers, and drastically underpricing anyone who dares to try to compete with them. Like Nithern pointed out, companies or carlets in crux industries with near monopoly power could then exercise economic extortion against both individual firms dependent upon them and the government. This kind of thing goes on all the time when a large multinational sets up in an impoverished developing country, which then becomes dependant on the employment and capital it provides.

Similarly without patents, industries with very high R&D and drug trial costs such as the pharmaceutical industry would have no incentive to innovate.

What about the more than obvious example of negative externalities specifically climate change and general environmental pollution. Would we not be up shit's creek right now (literally) without certain industries being regulated?

MSNBC Host Attacks Peter Schiff on The Ed Show - 8/6/09

Enzoblue says...

Ok, I'll do it.

What you guys are failing to understand is that pure capitalism regulates itself. Every problem we have now is because of government intervention in the free market. Most of the very big companies we have today got there by enlisting the governments help. The "winds of history" tell a sordid tale of large companies using the government to help them meet their ends. Even to the point of using the military against civilians as in the Pullman strike and the Ludlow massacre.

Monopolies would only exist in the free market if that company consistently had a better quality products at better prices than any single smaller company, which is virtually impossible without stuff like government enforced patents etc. (Imagine a world without patents for a minute, it's fun.) What big companies do now is quash smaller companies by using the government to, for example, get laws past that favor their model or labor laws passed that favor their workers over their competitors - tons of ways. Also by enlisting the government to work internationally, sometimes with wars, sometimes assassinations, coups etc as with Exxon and United Fruit.

It's a racket, pure and simple. Why make a better product at less profit if you can force people to buy what you have with an FDA ruling? Why pay top dollar for a quality forest when you can get it in a deal with a friendly government installed by your government? Stuff like that.

Edit:

Ask yourself why orange juice is so damned expensive. 3 to 4 dollars a gallon? The stuff grows on trees, the trees grow like weeds, you can get what.. 20-30 gallons a tree?? The answer is that orange juice owners want to be filthy rich. The asked for the governments help and they got it. Our government uses YOUR tax dollars to pay orange tree farmers to destroy parts of their crops in order to reduce supply and keep the prices up. If the government wasn't involved, orange juice would be 50 cents a gallon and the orange juice owners would only be moderately well off. Think about it.

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