Most martial arts are simply too specific for MMA (Teakwondo for example), and Aikido is certainly one of them. That's why many MMA fighters train in Jiu-Jitsu, it's a grabbag of techniques.
Aikido is great with throws, joint-locks and evasive moves but that's mostly it. There's no emphasis on kicking, punching or holding techniques. An Aikido-practitioner won't choke you out, he or she will break your shit. Bend your joints in ways they shouldn't or straight up break your arm. You can't unleash that in a ring where people go to earn money. No matter how many punches you can take, how many throws you can recover from, a broken wrist will end your fight. And then you're out of a job and training until it's healed for a couple of weeks.
Aikido is not flexible enough to be effective and too damaging once it can be used for full effect.
And it does work in real life, it's just the conditions for success are far narrower than with other, more versatile martial arts. That's why Krav Maga works so well in real life, it just goes to what causes the most effect. So a lot of ballskicking. And punching. And Kneeing. All the balls, all the time.

From the news article above:
"Mallory had a lengthy violent history and was a suspect in an unprovoked assault 15 minutes earlier. That assault knocked out Rylan Bebermeyer, a volunteer at the Café on Vine, a free meal site in Davenport that Mallory visited."

You don't approach people like this, in these situations with polite requests. Pretty please with sugar on top gets you nowhere with scumbags like this.

NORLICH
"Any case incident that results in the death of a Perp is the officers fault. The perp was reacting to the officers violence, and threat."

You have this completely backwards. It is the police officers job to stop this suspect. A crime has been committed and there is a nexus between the offence and this suspect. Like it or not, Police have the authority to arrest people who have committed criminal acts. Police are trained to react to resistance and force with only as much force as is required to effect the arrest. This guy gets on his knees like he was instructed and the only force applied to him is a set of handcuffs. If he struggles and pulls away he gets a joint lock. If he tries to choke the officer into unconciousness he gets 9mm of lead. His choice. The suspect always controls how much force is applied to them.

ToKeyMonster
" If some piece of shit cop comes up to me and pulls a fucking gun/tazer on me without ANY provocation I would want to beat the shit out of him too"

With any luck, someday you will get your chance and you will end up just like this piece of shit.

Reminds me of Ran-dori exercises back when I was training in Aikido.

Ran-dori is a multiple-attackers scenario, the goal of which is to prepare a student for the pure chaos of such a situation. Ran-dori is usually structured in a way to prevent injuries, as are all Aikido exercises, however, there is really no substitute for training for a multiple-attacker scenario than getting a bunch of fellow students to mix up their attacks. One of my favorite techniques for Ran-dori involves using joint locks to turn an opponent into a shield, and then throwing them into another foe to disrupt their balance and timing.

Musashi also talks about dealing with multiple attackers in his epic martial arts manual, The Go Rin no Sho, known here in the west as "A Book of Five Rings." He goes over the tactics of herding your foes in front of you, and knowing what is behind you when you need to backpedal to keep everyone in front of you. The combatant in this video illustrates both of these tactics very well.

When the guy in white fails at delivering a kick, he gets throw down to the ground very easily, and the next attacker struggles to step over him. His balance is disrupted for just long enough for the object of everyone's aggression to deliver a strong jab.

I would not be surprised if this guy had some martial arts background, judging from his stance, posture, and movement.

To expand on the Hakama point he makes, hakama were designed to be compatible with horse-back riding. You can't ride in a skirt, so the hakama has two pant legs. In that respect, you could make parallels between Hakama and Chaps. Within the context of combat, however, they're long enough to obscure your feet if you just barely bend your knees, and hiding your footwork can help hide what you're going to do next - its one less thing your foe can read about your moves.

Regarding Ukemi, yeah, he makes some good points. If you're going to practice the technique, you need to know how to "take" the technique. Learning the proper way to roll-out and high-fall is a very big part of learning Aikido. And its not that uke are taught to not resist techniques, on the contrary - it may be very beneficial for an uke to resist application of technique, in order to ensure nage understands some of the deeper principles behind some techniques. - this tends to happen more in classes specific for yudansha training (and boy, did my wrists hurt after those classes...). But resisting joint-locks and pins can lead to some nasty injuries, and part of learning ukemi is learning how to minimize the risk of injury in those techniques.

The kid sounds like a seasoned beginner who's probably had to field the tough questions about the "real-world" applications of Aikido. And if I were his sensei, I'd be proud of the way he articulates some good counter-points.

Next time I hear someone ask some "real-world" questions, I'm showing them the police handcuff techniques, though.

Aw, I like the Aikido vids you've been posting. Makes me think back to the days of my Aikido training. And I would disagree with you about Ikkyo and Nikkyo not being effective if your uke is kneeling. He doesn't finish those techniques because first, he doesn't need to; he already has full control of his uke with the joint-lock, and second, to finish those techniques he'd have to go down to the ground with him, at least that's how those are traditionally taught.

The first technique is a variation of Shiho-nage. Shiho-nage can be translated to "four-directions throw" because of the multiple variations there are. Here, we see the entering form, where you enter the technique by moving your center of gravity under your uke's arm. The turning form has you turning your body around the outside of the arm, but since your uke ends up on his back, its less effective within the context of handcuffing techniques. You want your uke to end up on his belly if you want to cuff him.

The second is Sankyo. You hold your uke's arm as if you were holding a sword. As long as you are turning his arm towards his center, he cannot break free. It can be very painful to resist. If uke tries to strike at you with his free hand, you can apply more torque, which forces him to move away from you.

The third looks like a variation of Kaiten-nage, but I'm not 100% sure. It is an effective shoulder-lock, though.

The fourth is Nikkyo, performed from a two-handed chokehold.

The fifth is Kote-gaeshi, from mune-tsuki. Steven Seagal uses that one a lot in his movies, because if you torque the joint-lock at chest-height, your uke has to take a high-fall over his own arm, or risk breaking it - it looks very flashy when you perform it that way. You can be kinder, and let him down to the ground easier, though.

The sixth could either be another Kote-gaeshi variation, or a nikkyo variant, I can't see his hands well enough. Either way, its a very simple but effective joint lock.

The seventh starts out as an ikkyo, but I don't know the technical term for that elbow torque. I should also note that Ikkyo is called the "first principle" for a reason. If you can get into ikkyo, you can change up to nikkyo, sankyo, or yonkyo very easily. Well, yonkyo is a little harder, because it's a pressure-point-based technique, but Nikkyo was always one of my favorites because of how easy it can be to apply it, especially if you start from an ikkyo. One of my favorite things to do in a Ran-dori (gang attack exercise) was to get one uke into either nikkyo or sankyo and then use him as a shield to interfere with the rest of my training partners, before eventually forcing him into a roll-out.

The eighth and ninth are more variations of nikkyo, one from an ushiro (blind attack) bear hug, the next from a one handed chokehold. The same principle can be applied to a lapel-grab.

The finishing locks he uses aren't always the traditional locks that are taught - he's altered some to make it easier to cuff his uke without sacrificing efficacy.

I've posted before that these techniques are very old, and have stood up against the test of time. While Aikido itself is rather young, the concepts it borrows from are not - they come from ancient Jujitsu principles.

Man I miss training. Keep posting more vids like this, and I just might force myself to find a dojo around here...

That's the whole point of Krav Maga. To be able to dispatch opponents in the fastest manner possible. I've never practiced it myself, but I've seen it at work and a master of the art could quickly disable several opponents in a matter of seconds. I think you underestimate the training and real world practicality of martial arts.

And here I was assuming that you were a Krav practitioner, and we'd have to compare experiences. I'm trying not to be a dick about this, because I respect you, but let me ask: I have practiced Krav Maga for three months, in the downtime between traveling and switching between real schools, and sparred with a bunch of Krav guys during that period and afterwards, students who trained under about three or four instructors. Not a lot of exposure, admittedly, but enough that I think I have seen generally what Krav Maga has to offer in training for a fight, and which I believe to be not adequate for successfully fighting multiple opponents unarmed. You have not practiced Krav Maga ever. So how is it that you are confident you have a better grasp of the applicability of Krav Maga in a fight than I do?

I just don't get it...what did you see that convinced you that Krav Maga is this ultimate +5 vorpal martial art of ass-kicking? I know you've mentioned it several times before, and I figured it was because you practiced Krav, but you say you haven't. Have you ever seen a Krav guy take out multiple fully resisting opponents in a few seconds? If not, then how can you be so sure a good Krav guy can do this? How exactly are you figuring on this happening, by the way? Knockouts? Joint locks? Eye gouges? Chi blasts? Hell, it's unlikely for a good fighter to take out a single opponent in a few seconds, and that depends largely upon enormous luck with landing a massive power shot to the jaw. I do not believe it is possible for any fighter to take out multiple opponents, unarmed, in a matter of seconds, short of the aid of an act of God. There is no realistic way a human can do this.

The best advice I ever got from a Krav instructor on fighting multiple opponents was to work on my cardio and my sprint starts.

*sigh*.

While it is true that the Gracie family made submission attacks famous by representing Brazilian jiu-jitsu (BJJ) in mixed martial arts (MMA), everything you just posted is - and I almost never say this - completely ignorant of the sport and martial arts as a whole.

Submissions were not brought into "the sport" - and by this, I assume you mean MMA - by the Gracies. The Gracies, as I wrote in my BJJ sift, took the judo/jujitsu taught to them by Mitsuyo Maeda and developed the newaza groundwork into a new system, focused on establishing positional improvement and dominance before the application of submissions. It was this conceptual change from the general judo mindset of throw-and-fall-or-scramble-to-position, rather than the submissions themselves. Judo, for the most part, has all the submission BJJ does, it just generally doesn't train them as much or as well. So really, the submissions were brought into the sport by judo, which was brought into creation by Kano through adaptation of the teachings of jiu-jitsu. If you want to argue about fighters using the submissions, sure Royce Gracie made use of them famously in UFC 1, but the first UFC tournament was set up to ensure no other submission grappling styles, including judo, was entered to make a clearer differentiation of style versus style, among other reasons. When such fighter picking was stopped, submission fighters from many styles sprung up in MMA competition.

If you're not talking about modern MMA, then consider the fact that pankration from Greece in 648 BC was the first Western MMA competition, and chokeholds and joint locks were widely displayed and documented.

Consider that catch wrestling can be traced in nearly every culture, from Lancashire catch-as-catch-can wrestling to the US hook wrestling to the Indian pehlwani.

Or you might even be referencing the infamous gong sau of China, where kung fu masters would challenge each other for the rights to open schools in villages or cities, matching style versus style, starting from millenia ago and continuing to the present day. Of course, dubious as the documentation surrounding those matches were, and as stupid as kwoon-storming is, there have been accounts of Chin na masters defeating other strikers through armbars and rear naked chokes.

As for "ruining the sport", I can only assume you're talking about the present version of MMA, as represented largely by the UFC and Pride FC (which have recently been merged as one organization. The UFC and Pride, as you may know, evolved out of the Vale tudo competitions in Brazil and Japan, which when brought to the US were imitated and televised. Of course, you should also be aware of the fact that vale tudo tournaments were largely organized by Helio Gracie, the original creator of Brazilian jiu-jitsu, and his descendants. The UFC was created largely as the brainchild of Rorion Gracie, Helio's eldest son and BJJ black belt, as well as Art Davies, one of Rorion's student. In fact, according to many inside sources who were present for the UFC's founding, it was created in a large part to showcase BJJ for the US, just as Pride FC was created in a a large part to showcase Rickson Gracie, another one of Helio's sons, versus Nobuhiko Takada, a famous Japanese shoot-wrestler and mixed martial artist who also trained in a form of submission wrestling. So how exactly do you figure that modern MMA, which exists largely because the Gracies wanted to showcase the effectiveness of submission fighting versus pure striking styles, is somehow ruined because it did exactly that?

And finally, you have absolutely no idea about submission grappling. If you think getting a submission hold is a "basic skill" that can beat anybody, and the sport now revolves around using and avoiding those holds, then how do you figure that only one of the five current UFC title holders is a well-known submission specialist, and even HE won his title fight two days ago by knockout? If it's such a get-out-of-jail-free card, why doesn't everybody just use those magical subs? How come sprawl-and-brawl and ground-and-pound are becoming such dominant strategies of fighting in MMA fights? Oh, and what did you mean by "strength, skill, stamina or fighting spirit" having no effect on submission grappling? Superior skill, strength, stamina, and fighting spirit is what submission grappling is all about. The fighter with the greatest combination of all four will win, just as with any other art in MMA. Look at Yuki Nakai, the grappler who continued a fight despite being eye-gouged illegally to the point of complete blindness and yet continued on not only win his fight by submission but also fight AGAIN the SAME night against the most feared grappler in the world at the time, Rickson Gracie. Look at Ronaldo de Souza, aka Jacare, who had his arm broken in a fight but continued to fight and win. Heck, look at Rickson Gracie, who is well-known for having an insane cardio routines involving sandy beaches and mountain running. Or any of the MMA athletes at the top of the sport, who train and spar and weight lift and run and work out for hours on end each day and every day so they can become strong and build up endurance and improve their skills, all thanks to their fighting spirit and determination to be the best.

If you doubt me on any of those facts, just get yourself to a real, honest-to-goodness MMA gym, and tell the first MMA fighter you see that submission holds are ruining the sport. Seriously. I'd like to know what happens.

Do you know why I'm annoyed by your comment, Enzoblue? I'm annoyed because training submission grappling is not fucking easy. It is hard, painful work to train. It is expensive as hell, in terms of money as well as time and effort. I am shit-awful at it, and my only goal each day I step on the mat, which is every damn day, is to suck a little less than the day before, and sometimes, like today, I don't feel like that's happened, and I haven't been able to move my neck in certain directions for days because of a neck crank that got cranked on too hard. And yet tomorrow, I'm going to put on my smelly, sweaty gi, get in my friend's carpool, and go roll around on a mat with large, sweaty men who outweigh me by over 50 pounds on average for several hours, and come back tired and sore and cranky. (Hah, pun, get it? It's a joke because my spinal column isn't functioning properly.) And I'm happy with all of that, from the musty gym smell to the same old jokes my friends make about me being gay that they've made for years, because through my training I know I am acquiring a skillset that is not available or acquired in the general public, and yes, I do take pride in what I do because it is a part of my life and part of who I am, and also there's the fact that my training and dedication can and have helped me to choke fools out who are deserving of it, just as those things have saved the lives of friends and acquaintances who were attacked in ghettos and Iraqi villages. And yet here you come to say that I, along with every other MMA competitor who has devoted far larger amounts of their life to perfecting the art of submission grappling, am ruining the beautiful sport of mixed martial arts, a sport that I am, as well as those competitors far above me, dedicated to as well and one that I do my best to represent well in the public eye. No. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to let you say that, because you're wrong.

Consider this: the UFC and modern MMA changed what "one would actually consider fighting". People used to think those flicky, chambered TKD kicks would hurt, or that they could just avoid a takedown attempt with elbows to the spine, or even in later years, they could just fight out of guard. The sport has evolved, and anybody who has a half a brain can see that a good MMA fighter needs to train to fight out of the three ranges that have been established through the test of the fight, standup, clinch, and ground, as well as be able to strike, grapple, and submit from all three ranges if necessary, as well as defend against an opponent's attempts to do so to oneself. Submission grappling is part of the sport out of necessity, not because it's what people (and by that I mean Westerners) think of when they think about fighting, or because it looks pretty - it's in the sport because it works. The skills and abilities trained in sub grappling allow a more skilled fighter to beat a less skilled opponent, given reasonable size comparisons, just as with every other martial art that has been used with success in MMA. The concept of MMA is the extension of Bruce Lee's philosophy of Jeet Kune Do - take what works, and lose what doesn't. So in reality, sub grappling being used to win fights in MMA is really part of the evolution and development of martial arts, in fact it embodies what MMA and the development of effective martial arts is all about. And if that simple fact offends, then perhaps you don't understand quite as much about MMA as you might like to think you do.

"While I agree with rembar that joint locks would be great, that would require time and training on Jack Bauer levels something I don't think there is funding or initiative for."

Sorry, farhad, but that's just not true. I know this because I've trained with law enforcement officers in restraint and violence management techniques. Sure, it requires training, but so does the use of a gun in a combat situation, as does the use of a taser. A few months is all it takes to become decently competent, and by that I mean enough to control a situation such as this without risk of escalation or danger to any party involved. And besides, most LEOs are required to take some sort of physical combat training on a regular basis, why not make it effective and avoid this kind of situation?

The kind of excuses for not training for physical management offered up by paperpushers at HQ are just lame. "Oh, it takes too much time, it costs money, it's too hard to learn." I wonder how much time and money it saves to taser a student and then have to pay for PR people to shine your ass and then the legal staff to protect it in court? Hmmm....

Y'know happened here? The cops didn't know how to respond, they overescalated a physical confrontation to where the entire situation moved out of their control, and were confronted by a large crowd of angry college students. They turned themselves into the bad guys. Basically, the shit hit the fan.

Oh, and yeah, people die from getting tasered. I wonder how better all taser victims in general would have fared if they got shot instead? It was obviously out of line to use it in this case, but there are times when tasers are good. Imagine a situation where a guy brandishes a knife at an officer. Would you rather the officer a) fight him unarmed, b) shoot him, or c) shock the shit outta him and then arrest him? There's a time and place for all things, the taser is just one more tool in the LEO's utility belt, and a good one at that.

And the guy was a student, sure. And he didn't have his ID with him. The CSOs asked him to provide ID or leave. He did not. The police asked him to leave. He did not. Sounds like a dick to me.

Incidentally, I forgot my own student ID going to the campus gym today. I apologized to the check-in staff and asked if I could sign in some way. They said no, so I went back to my room, picked up my ID, walked back, and went into the gym. Guess what? No tasering.

The rule of thumb here is: Act like a bitch, get smacked like one.

It's funny that Seeknowsage went on a down vote rampage on my queued videos because I offered a differing opinion from the norm. That's childish mate.

First of all don't go comparing Tiananmen Square, where students protested an oppressive Communist regime and were shot at indiscriminately by government forces to a student who refused to leave the premises because he did not have his IDentification in America's paranoid post 9/11 world of Terror watch.

Second of all, I said this was excessive use of force, in terms of the equipment used Tasers are used because they are cheap and don't require extensive training. While I agree with rembar that joint locks would be great, that would require time and training on Jack Bauer levels something I don't think there is funding or initiative for.

Third, it's easy to scream and shout about all these abuses but it's funny how no one ever screams and shouts about how the authority to carry out these actions never garner the same attention. Yeah am talking Patriot Act, Patriot Act II, Heabus Corpus, NSA tapping, CIA prisons and Guantanamo Bay. America has been pushed to the brink of paranoia, I was baffled at the coverage Fox News, CBS, NBC, all of them offered in terms of news event - just pure fear mongering... I mean Killer Africanized Bees, Blades in Apples, Anthrax, Yellow/Pink/Blue alert... Sheesh...

In this case, the taser and riot baton are both extremely poor choices. I can't repeat this enough: joint locks are the best way to go.

Viable alternatives to joint locks would be:
1. Swistering the kid's hands and feet, then carrying him out of the libary. It would be annoying because he'd still be able to twist and probably not the best publicity but kinda fun. Also, he'd still be able to scream.

2. Choking the kid out, then carrying his limp body out of the libary. It would be hella fun, less painful for the kid, and much quieter (just 10 seconds or so of gurgling, then silence for the next few minutes), but probably also pretty bad for publicity. On the other hand, NOBODY WOULD FUCK WITH CAMPUS POLICE.