7:44-7:55 is the best logical answer I've heard for wearing the hijab. Basing your answer on "because god told me so" is just as illogical as Christians saying homosexuality is evil, or any of the other myriad of theological fallacies. Listen to yourself, not someone/something else.

Wearing a hijab is clearly a tradition coming from a patriarchal cultural background.

Most are racist boneheads, but if I was an Israeli security guard in a mall, I would definitely be mindful of any woman wearing a hijab ocr burkah.

btw

at 6:23 - Sadly, as a Swede, I can confirm his statement.

>> ^alizarin:
Can anybody explain why they are dressed non-conservatively (no hijab or whatever)... is this an arab wedding in the west or do the rules lax this much at family functions like weddings?


Nobody said they were Muslims.

The info on youtube says "Two girls in a discotheque in Syria". Not sure why Farhad thinks this is a wedding but I'm not saying he's wrong, either. He probably knows the culture better than most of us.

>> ^alizarin:
Can anybody explain why they are dressed non-conservatively (no hijab or whatever)... is this an arab wedding in the west or do the rules lax this much at family functions like weddings?


All the tables are empty so this is definitely a rehearsal, if it's even for a wedding. Also, the attire doesn't match an Islamic wedding - even if the family wasn't conservative, traditional clothes would almost definitely be worn.

A burqa is worn when a woman leaves the home, so it may not be required in a closed indoor setting.

>> ^MaxWilder:
^I'm gonna guess it's because the Arab world is very large, and only a few places actually mandate the traditional dress codes. We're seeing a lot of the repressive side of the Arab traditions in the last few years, but that doesn't mean they all live that way. Far from it. That would be like looking at Utah and thinking that all westerners practice Mormon traditions, when in fact only a small percentage lives that way.


So you're saying that only a small percentage of Arabs live by the Islam traditions (hijab)?

Can anybody explain why they are dressed non-conservatively (no hijab or whatever)... is this an arab wedding in the west or do the rules lax this much at family functions like weddings?

Have hipsters upgraded from keffiyehs to hijabs already?

>> ^Farhad2000:
Erm... Turkey is a secular state... They dismantle the last party just because it's leader's wife wore a hijab... You aren't even allowed into universities if you wear a headdress...


The state of Turkey itself is secular, but flaws in the justice system allows this kind of bullying from people with a totalitarian mindset.

Erm... Turkey is a secular state... They dismantle the last party just because it's leader's wife wore a hijab... You aren't even allowed into universities if you wear a headdress...

>> ^Farhad2000:
Your hypothesis that porn is related to sexual assault is very slim. The argument is the same as saying that watching violence on TV makes people violent. Both acts occur naturally, even with the removal of porn and violence such acts will exist.
I live in the Arab world, women here wear hijabs, pant suits, and long skirts. There is very little sexual stimulus. The internet here is filtered. Most lay men cannot access any pron what so ever. Yet sexual crimes here are just as prevalent. Especially the gang rape of maids, young boys and other forms of sexual abuse.
I think you connect the act of sex, and porn and sexual abuse together. I believe sexual abuse is a expression of power over an individual, the act of molestation that fulfills a certain dark seated sexual desire. There are countless accounts of serial killers who only got sexual satisfaction upon killing their victims, then masturbating on them, or necrophilia. Most of these people were psychopaths to begin with, how can one imply that what they did was because they say watched porn when they were young.
I think you underestimate the human nature, and it's ability to lay blame anywhere but themselves. People who commit sex crimes always say that it was abuse they received or porn they viewed, they can never admit that maybe they are simply are inherently skewed and like nothing more then raping or touching little girls.
There is too much of that in society now, I have a problem X, its not me that is at fault its society or practice Y.
I don't know a thing about Arab culture, but that argument doesn't hold water for me because the causes of sexual crime in the Arab world may be completely different. For example, the lack of sexual stimulus and the repression of women's sexuality are possible causes. As you said, rape is about control. I think that in a culture where women are controlled, crimes of control are more likely to happen. I'm guessing that many sex crimes in Arab nations stem from the culture's distortion of sex, just as ours do. Their repression of sexuality in women may not be heathy, either. I really can't say, but I think we ought to reach a happy medium.

I wasn't implying that all necrophiliacs are what they are because of a porn problem. I'm not even saying that all sexual abusers are consumers of porn. I'm saying that porn CAN and DOES cause sexual problems, and I have seen it occur with my own two eyes. The person in question is not a psychopath. He is a good person. Any problems that he had when he was younger stemmed from an exposure to porn at a young age. I am positive that he would not have done what he did if he hadn't been looking at porn since age 7. He was an innocent kid. Of course, that's just one example and it doesn't always turn out that way. But say he already had a tendency toward sexual crime. Do you think porn would encourage or stifle that tendency? A society that teaches a healthy regulation of sexual activity is more likely to help that guy than a society that teaches him to masturbate to porn with increasing frequency. Just my opinion.

Not all molestation is about control. Rape, probably. I think that molestation is sometimes simply about what gets the person off.

And what of the problems of our society? What DO they stem from? Are we supposed to completely refrain from assigning blame to any of our own practices? Are we supposed to allow our society to deteriorate because we can't get to the root causes of our problems and fix them? There is a general trend on the Sift toward the attitude that the fewer controls and restraints on behavior, the better. That nothing matters except pleasure and freedom. I just don't agree with that philosophy. Sometimes your freedoms hurt other people, and in order to be moral, people have to sacrifice a few freedoms. Porn doesn't help, it hurts.

Your hypothesis that porn is related to sexual assault is very slim. The argument is the same as saying that watching violence on TV makes people violent. Both acts occur naturally, even with the removal of porn and violence such acts will exist.

I live in the Arab world, women here wear hijabs, pant suits, and long skirts. There is very little sexual stimulus. The internet here is filtered. Most lay men cannot access any pron what so ever. Yet sexual crimes here are just as prevalent. Especially the gang rape of maids, young boys and other forms of sexual abuse.

I think you connect the act of sex, and porn and sexual abuse together. I believe sexual abuse is a expression of power over an individual, the act of molestation that fulfills a certain dark seated sexual desire. There are countless accounts of serial killers who only got sexual satisfaction upon killing their victims, then masturbating on them, or necrophilia. Most of these people were psychopaths to begin with, how can one imply that what they did was because they say watched porn when they were young.

I think you underestimate the human nature, and it's ability to lay blame anywhere but themselves. People who commit sex crimes always say that it was abuse they received or porn they viewed, they can never admit that maybe they are simply are inherently skewed and like nothing more then raping or touching little girls.

There is too much of that in society now, I have a problem X, its not me that is at fault its society or practice Y.

>> ^Farhad2000:

That is why honor killings and other such violence doesn't take place in Muslim communities based in Canada, USA, Australia, Indonesia.


Did you even read those links?

Hijabs and honor killings are two different things, they stem not from religious reasons but from cultural ones, usually using religious reasoning to back it up.

That is why honor killings and other such violence doesn't take place in Muslim communities based in Canada, USA, Australia, Indonesia.

But your bias was already know before this

The burka and hijab are symbolic of male domination over women. End of.