>> ^rottenseed:

you can't say that it fires at a rate of 960 rounds per second when you have such a short supply of ammo...that's like saying that I can have sex 6 times a minute when we know I'm done for good after 10 seconds...

That's exactly how the firing rate of every automatic gun is stated. See Metal Storm for example (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8hlj4EbdsE). The video finishes of with a 1 000 000 rounds per minute demonstration, even though it only shoots 180 rounds.

>> ^GenjiKilpatrick:

Dual Full-Auto Shotguns, For the FUCKING WIN~!1!


Amen.

Dual Full-Auto Shotguns, For the FUCKING WIN~!1!

This was clearly the most awesome and epic thing I have ever, and will ever witness.

A few comments:

1) Your personal firearms collection is very nice.
2) You do have a well-sculpted body. Kudos.
3) You have obviously never had any sort of combat training in your life, otherwise, you would know that:

a) Grenades have a second safety thumb clip that needs to come off before pulling the pin
b) you don't put grease paint on to blend in and then take your shirt off
c) you apply grease paint in such a way that it's actually effective with darker colors on high-shine areas
d) you don't throw a knife away when you're holding a gun, especially without looking. If you miss, you can't fire another knife.
e) you don't wear reflective material like chain necklaces
f) you don't use 9mm SMGs in open terrain
g) you don't silhouette yourself by standing on top of a cliff
h) you don't rest a weapon on the magazine. It can lead to jamming.
i) you don't need a black mask in broad daylight
j) you don't roll around on the ground whilst firing. You won't hit anything.
k) you don't spin around a corner and immediately fire. You won't hit anything.
l) you don't walk through big bushes. You can't see anything and you will give yourself away.
m) you don't hold a weapon right-handed and look through the left eye.
n) squatting and letting wildlife crawl around you doesn't accomplish anything.
o) you don't fire an automatic weapon with one hand
p) You don't hold fire on full auto without having a weapon fed by a belt.
q) you don't jerk the trigger on a rifle. Your aim will be off.
r) You don't stand in a window to screw a suppressor on. You're easier to see and will get shot. Same as (g).

Other than all that, you're fuckin' awesome.

I think he forgot to set the switch on his lawn sprinkler from evil to good.

Upvote for the 9 volt lashup on the back. I'm guessing the marker is full auto since there is a small servo on the trigger that just engages it?

If this program was supposed to do what it says, it would allow people to buy any efficient car made in the last 5 years. People driving +10-year-old cars are either quaint millionaires or can't afford full auto insurance (easily $350 a month) and a $500 monthly payment for a new car.

The Treasury logo should be changed to a magician's hat with the Monopoly guy throwing money out of it. CROOKS ALL!

It's way cheaper for him to give away an AK as opposed to an American M16. And they would most likely be semi-automatic as it is very VERY hard to get a permit for full-auto as I understand it.

Upvote for the guy keeping his cool.

>> ^demon_ix:
Next step: Someone claiming it's his 2nd amendment right to own one at home. It's clearly a hunting / self-defense weapon, isn't it?


I couldn't think of a better way to defend myself than with one of these.

I learn and teach proper gun safety. Just as any one else needs to learn how to drive a car safely. Yes I agree with common sense gun laws, but like copyright laws, FISA, and Patriot Act (Espionage Act)I do not agree with the amendments of very well written laws that already do their jobs.

He struck down Illinois gun rights, Chicago anti gun laws(supports them), and the right to own a Semi Auto in certain states. When there are bans on Semi Auto, Full Auto pistols, then there is a ban on the majority of handguns by proxy. Pump guns and Revolvers are unwieldy, I'm not talking about the right to defense I'm talking about the right to own and bear weapons that are formidable to the weapons that the good guys have.

They dont want the people to have these weapons because as is said: it impedes the right of them to enforce laws. No, it scares the shit out of authority, which is exactly what is needed. Criminals could care less what gun laws you put out there. Again I agree with common sense laws, but I do not agree with radical expansion of said laws.

On another note: Mcain is bush, Obama is a Fake Idol, Nader is a conspiracy theorist, and Lobbyist are money grubbing ass hats. The choice is? Gotdamn that's a tough choice.


Eisenhower said "Beware the Military Industrial Complex." http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html

Washington said "Beware of foreign entanglements."
http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/milestones/farewell/text.html
To choggie, many presidents have warned us and yet we still continue to follow the lead lemming.

Far be it from me to say the M16 or M4 is flawless. Like I said, I have no real training experience with the weapons and besides, no firearm is perfect, which is why I intentionally made no claim that there were no real problems pointed out in the piece. Clearly, real soldiers like MarineGunrock are more qualified to comment on the technical issues of firearms that he trains with and uses. My point is that this piece is misleading and doesn't give an accurate perspective from which to view criticism of the rifle (thus why I pointed out idiotic comments like "shooting from the hip on full auto", "C-mag < 30-round mag", etc). My complaint is one of journalistic standards (or lack thereof), and on this topic I believe I am qualified to comment.

The layman, watching this clip, would think, "ZOMG AK74 > M4, US military rifles suck!", because the layman doesn't know shit about firearms, and is forced to take the statements made in the piece at face value. It's the same reason why we have the assault weapons ban in the US, and why people seem to think smart weapons can compensate for poorly trained shooters, and why people believe that it's ok to use FMJ rounds in self-defense, but hollowpoints are automatically only used to kill police officers. I look upon this piece with utter contempt, not because I think the M16 is better than the AK or anything like that, but rather because I find the lack of journalistic integrity in this report appalling.

Can the M16 and M4 be improved? Surely. Does this piece level constructive criticism to a reasonable degree? Not at all.

I will agree that the M16 does jam more often than comfortable, and is temperamental. But what gets me is why this piece keeps talking about the M4, but keeps showing the A4, as in the M16A4.
Secondly, they keep talking about shooting on full-auto, but as far as I know, the M16 and the M16A3 are the only ones to shoot on automatic. The M16A2 (which is being phased out of service), the M16A4, and the M4 all shoot on either semi or three round burst.

Would I rather shoot with a AK or an M16? Depends. The M16A4 and A2 can both have an effective range (shot hits where rifle is pointed) at about 550 yards. The max. effective range on the AK is only 300 yards.

Yes, the AK doesn't jam as much. Yes, the M16 has a better range. But that's the thing with rifles: you can't have a winner in all categories. At least that's what I thought - I saw a clip of FutureWeapons that showcased a new Heckler & Koch that is supposedly as un-jammable as the AK, yet accurate like the M16.
Only time will tell.

Soldiers are generally taught to fire in burst-mode, not full auto, whenever possible because full auto is inherently inaccurate and a poor method of shooting when you're actually trying to hit people. It is irrelevant whether the AK-74 can outhit the M16 on full automatic, and I doubt the hell out of that statistic anyway.

"More thrusts per squeeze"? Huh?

They're misquoting the study about accessories added onto the rifle. The study, to the best of my knowledge, shows a correlation between more accessories and weapon malfunctions, but specifically does not imply causation. This is because the idiots who throw on as many add-ons as they can onto their rails tend to be the same kind of idiots who don't maintain their weapons properly.

"A walking man can't use sights very well, so you fire from the hip, full automatic." Right, walking people can't use sights very well, I guess that's why the IDPA and IPSC, every single police force, and every single military branch, including the special forces, of the US trains to shoot straight from the hip on full automatic, cowboy style. Oh, wait, what's that? That's completely untrue? Every single one of those groups teaches sighted fire on the move, with single shots or burst rounds? Ohhhhhhh....right.

The C-mag is better than 30-round mags? Right, wasn't this piece supposed to be about reliability and not jamming?

I can't speak for the reliability of the M16, M4 or AK74 because I don't train with any of these weapons, and hopefully I never will. However, the friends I have in the service are laughing at this video as much as I am. The M16 and M4 aren't infallible, and they can surely be improved, (and definitely certain procedures, like cleaning, need to be modified for use in a desert) but this piece is just so shitty that any criticism being leveled is worthless in context.

What a crock o' shite.

It sounds like they landed with full auto pilot that time, I don't remember hearing the altitude countdown when pilots are landing visually or through the ILS...of course I could be wrong

Our Canadian variant is really not materially different from the M16, so the reliability would be the same (and it's true the weapon sometimes has trouble coping with sandy environments). The internal workings are pretty much identical except that the automatic fire mode is really full auto, not 3-round burst. Apart from that you can move the trigger guard out of the way for firing when wearing thick arctic mitts (which we do in cold winter weather), and the weapon is made in Canada, licensed to Diemaco from Colt. That's about all.

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