I hate cops with a passion. Things are getting worse, my town has militarized the police with humvees with 50 caliber turrets. All police with AR15's and 5 K9's and my town only has 2 redlights and a population of 2000.

This is getting out of hand. The next Civil War will be people vs pigs. And hell I have coronary artery disease, I'm not going to live a long life anyhow, I'll definitely take some pigs out when pushed. I'd love to see pigs exploding in gta5 style blood spray

>> ^TheSofaKing:
I'm sorry, did I miss the part where the coroner listed "asphyxiation" as a cause of death? No because he was not applying enough force to prevent breathing.


You must have missed the part from the report that doesn't match up with what you wanted to say:

"Preliminary results from the Livingston Parish coroner show Stogner died from severe coronary artery disease, an enlarged heart, and a fracture of the hyoid bone in his neck. Dr. Ron Coe says the fracture may be due to force being applied to that area."

>> ^Creature
"Stogner died from severe coronary artery disease, an enlarged heart, and a fracture of the hyoid bone in his neck"
As I said before, if you're so angry as to wish death as a punishment for disobedience and a victemless crime go get counseling. Its unhealthy, and quite frankly disturbing.

>> ^Mikus_Aurelius: That's a little overboard. I haven't heard anyone wishing death on anyone. I'm not a doctor, but I imagine that small fractures are a frequent consequence of resisting arrest. This guy just happens to be the unlucky dude whose condition and the exact nature of his injuries lead to his death.


read what creature wrote, again - it's in bold, hard to miss. the cop broke this guy's neck. now that's what I'd call overboard, no matter what.
so much inconsiderate bs, I just had to upvote and join the legion of douche, who think "resisting arrest" is a legitimate excuse to kill people

>> ^TheSofaKing:
Should have let this scrote swallow the drugs and die of an O.D. What an asshole this cop is for trying to A) stop him from swallowing the narcotics and thus putting his life at risk, and B) trying to subdue a criminal resisting a lawful arrest, so that oh I don't know.. he could get him medical attention for the unknown quantity of narcotics he just ingested?
What's next? You gonna blame the cop for all the hoagies and pork chops this guy ate that caused the "severe coronary artery disease" he had? This shitbag has nobody to blame but himself for the way his life ended.


This comes back to the age old "Nanny-State" debate. If the guy wants to swallow drugs and kill himself so be it. Why should anyone interfere with that?

I agree the cop should TRY to stop it, but if after 30 seconds the guy is still refusing not to swallow then just let him do it otherwise you risk hurting him just as much if not more so than whatever drugs.

The police take a dangerous route here assuming that this guy didn't have the drugs in a balloon or some sort of baggie that would allow them to pass through his system safely.

Also they broke bone in his neck doing this, that is just ridiculous.

^ This was fact

This is opinion: This more or less boils down to them wanting the ability to have evidence to prosecute against him, not saving this guys life.

>> ^Creature
"Stogner died from severe coronary artery disease, an enlarged heart, and a fracture of the hyoid bone in his neck"
As I said before, if you're so angry as to wish death as a punishment for disobedience and a victemless crime go get counseling. Its unhealthy, and quite frankly disturbing.


That's a little overboard. I haven't heard anyone wishing death on anyone. I'm not a doctor, but I imagine that small fractures are a frequent consequence of resisting arrest. This guy just happens to be the unlucky dude whose condition and the exact nature of his injuries lead to his death.

Frankly, whether we have a war on drugs or not, I hope that cops continue to pull over people who are driving impaired. If there's cause, I hope they haul these people off to the station to sleep it off.

Obviously it sucks that this guy died for no good reason. If this is a cause for outrage though, I'd be interested to hear what the outraged people would prefer the police do differently. Not pull over impaired drivers? Not arrest people who seem to be driving under the influence? Let a suspect swallow god knows what and choke/OD and die in police custody? Let people who resist arrest go because there's a danger that once in awhile the force needed to subdue them could cause serious injury? Or is there something else?

I'm legitimately curious.

>> ^TheSofaKing:
>> ^Creature:
Anyone that watches this and thinks that what happened is "okay" needs counseling. The cop was choking and beating him. Choking is not a good way to pry a mouth open. It is, however, a good way to seriously injure someone. What I saw was murder, hands down. I hope the men that did this see their day in court.

There was no attempt to 'pry' his mouth open. His hand on his throat was to prevent him from swallowing. You don't stick your fingers in the mouth of a tweaked out meth head who is already trying to resist you... all you get is your fingers bitten off and hepatitis for your trouble.
I'm sorry, did I miss the part where the coroner listed "asphyxiation" as a cause of death? No because he was not applying enough force to prevent breathing.
This fat meth'd out tub of shit died because his plugged up heart gave out during the struggle HE caused.

"Stogner died from severe coronary artery disease, an enlarged heart, and a fracture of the hyoid bone in his neck"

As I said before, if you're so angry as to wish death as a punishment for disobedience and a victemless crime go get counseling. Its unhealthy, and quite frankly disturbing.

Should have let this scrote swallow the drugs and die of an O.D. What an asshole this cop is for trying to A) stop him from swallowing the narcotics and thus putting his life at risk, and B) trying to subdue a criminal resisting a lawful arrest, so that oh I don't know.. he could get him medical attention for the unknown quantity of narcotics he just ingested?

What's next? You gonna blame the cop for all the hoagies and pork chops this guy ate that caused the "severe coronary artery disease" he had? This shitbag has nobody to blame but himself for the way his life ended.

>> ^dgandhi:
>> ^Tofumar:
^ Are you a supporter of national healthcare?
Just curious.
Check out this vid by Penn Jillette where he quotes European health statistics that found that people who live longer cost the system more money, people who die from lifestyle diseases cost more for a short time, but since they die earlier their lifetime cost is less. here


There is no question that an aging population puts strain on health-care resources. However, prevalence of tobacco related chronic disease in the elderly, including malignancy, emphysema, and coronary artery disease, would likely negate health care savings due to premature death. For a CDC analysis of the issue, go to;
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5114a2.htm
According to the Center for Disease control, smoking is the leading cause of preventable death in the U.S.(440,000 premature deaths in the U.S. from 1995-99), and is estimated to have cost $157 billion dollars in economic losses.