The cars compared were as I described. There are no truly comparable electric vehicles available today. Somehow you think that’s a dig at Tesla? It’s a compliment, and a lament.

Not at all. I would love one. They have made missteps however.
Not a fan of Musk.
What should be clear is I’m not a fan of bullshit.

I’m also not a fan of monopolies.
I’m also not a fan of successful companies bargaining away their tax liabilities for little in return for the public.
I’m not really a fan of space tourism for billionaires either, not while poverty exists. What a waste of resources for no return.

Chip shortages are the only real obstacle, the rest are speed bumps.

It’s a problem if you don’t want to pay $60k for a $25k car…I thought inflation was bad. Now you love it?

Tesla made deals to not pay taxes. You can pretend that’s patriotic, it’s not. I didn’t say they ignored or committed fraud to escape taxes, I said they don’t pay them. That kind of agreement shouldn’t be acceptable for any company, especially one as profitable as Tesla. Yes, it’s a “the governor and/or legislature can waive taxes for companies he likes” policy issue, I find it abhorrent no matter which party does it, they both do.

If you backroom deal with right wing governors/legislatures to avoid taxes, you are far right, at least economically. I thought he came out as a Trump guy too, but might be wrong.

The issue is the wrong guy, a dishonest blowhard trying to cover his own failures, claimed this early on with absolutely zero evidence. It was a clear dodge, his normal MO. Refusing any responsibility for ending the international pandemic response team that would have been able to actually say when and where the outbreak started, and likely be able to keep it relegated to one small area in China. By blaming it on a Chinese lab, actually saying it was intentional, he deflects from his abject failure to protect America from a clear, obvious, incontrovertibly deadly threat on the horizon….or any time after it’s discovery.
Were the Chinese studying Covid, yes, so were we. That’s not an indication of where it came from. There’s no evidence it came from any lab, only supposition at best.

Edit:Even if the guess that it came from a Chinese lab is correct, it doesn’t excuse one second of Trump’s (lack of) response and outright denials for months-years. The origin has nothing to do with the danger level, in fact, if it WERE enhanced/created in a lab as he claimed, that’s more reason to consider it MORE dangerous, not reason to claim it’s just a cold or mild flu and will disappear like magic in a few weeks. Granted, it was fun to see him (only after his trade deal fell apart) blame this deadly virus on the Chinese as an unforgivable deliberate act of germ warfare and accuse them of minimizing the danger and hiding the size and severity of the outbreak and in the same breath claim it’s nothing to worry about, not dangerous, probably not deadly, not worth any action to protect against, and just a minimal annoyance soon to disappear….but also disappointing to see how easily so many Americans glossed over the two faced hypocritical responsibility shirking stance he took.

This guy claims most, nearly all viruses can’t both infect people and be transmitted….what utter nonsense. If that were true, there would have never been epidemics, pandemics, not even outbreaks. Credibility destroyed.

I guess he didn’t hear about swine flu, or bird flu, or flu, or colds, or any transmittable virus. 🤦‍♂️
I guess they haven’t heard new mutations are far less deadly (but more transmittable) than earlier versions, so they are getting less dangerous, contrary to his claim.

Not transmitting well outdoors means it’s not natural?! Bullshit, animals nest together. Many natural viruses require close contact to transmit.

DNA testing proved early on that this is not a man made virus. Is it possible a Chinese lab made a natural virus more dangerous, then a lab mistake released it? Yes, but there’s no evidence that’s the case, even these people who’s livelihood relies on people accepting “the lab hypothesis” (hypothesis=guess) admit it’s all conjecture, there’s no evidence, certainly no proof. It’s not the lab theory because it’s unproven.

Duh.

BTW, this couple are married, anti vaxers, Ivermectin proponents, and were thrown out of Evergreen College, and are now both now discredited and disgraced. Their main source of income is now their anti vax, pro Ivermectin, Covid isn’t dangerous podcasts loved by morons like Joe Rogan, and a source of much of his misinformation that’s getting him removed from his platform.
“Bret Weinstein is one of the foremost purveyors of COVID-19 disinformation out there,” says Dr. David Gorski, a surgical oncologist and professor at Wayne State University who also debunks quack remedies as managing editor at a website called Science-Based Medicine. “Weinstein can be ‘credited’ with playing a large role in popularizing the belief that ivermectin is a miracle cure or preventative for COVID-19, that the vaccines are dangerous, and that the disease itself is not. Why are Rogan and Maher attracted to his messages? Contrarians and conspiracy theorists tend to be attracted to each other.”
https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2021/09/16/bret-weinstein-and-heather-heying-go-unvaccinated-take-ivermectin/

Downvote discredited shills who profit from misinformation. No surprise at all, considering who posted this dishonest propaganda from discredited propagandists.

He destroyed their argument and shot it into the sun. Only a year late and a few billion dollars short.

They’re going to drop the “pence had the right to determine the outcome of the election” when they remember/realize that that means Kamala has the right to determine the outcome of elections now. All of them but Trump, who has no choice but to stick with the lie, the alternative is admitting he was W-W-W-W…W-W-W….Wrong.
Any who still believe Trump need not vote, they believe that their votes don’t count.
Any who do vote need to be lambasted mercilessly for admitting their position for the last 4 years was utter nation destroying unpatriotic anti-American bullshit with their actions….maybe lynched as traitors like they suggested.

I gave it two minutes. His first "substantive" point is culture war bullshit around trans people in sports. His 2nd is about the withdrawal from Afghanistan. The withdrawal the Trump administration chose to negotiate with only the Taliban, and which the Biden administration was basically forced to continue (we could quibble on this, but the alternatives were also garbage). With those as this guy's leading points, I don't need to hear any more.

What is this speculative conspiracy bullshit?

Get out of here with this shit. Fucking bullshit - dis-re-spect full

They're not national guard? what the fuck are those guys doing training at the base near my house? Did my dad lie to me my entire life about being in the national guard? the kids signing up through JROTC at my school are just pretending too right? they're just in on it also?

Fabricating this nonsense is nothing less than unpatriotic anti American nonsense promoted by a paranoid you-tuber with nothing more than speculation + MORE speculation, and his own ignorance as proof-

"They COULD have done it this way ORRR this way ORRR " fuuuuuuuuck outta here with that - It disrespects the real ACTUAL - IN FACT people who are protected the Capitol and suggests their sacrifice and work as a trivial charade.

get the fuck out of here with this unpatriotic delusional bullshit

That's my thought on it.

You said that already, it’s not an answer it’s the basis of the question, are you having a stroke? More likely trying to dodge because you have no answer.

Try answering the question asked for once….if you can (I have my doubts).

I asked you what Republicans plan to do to return to this imaginary time when border crossing was under demonstrably better control (which is different from when there were fewer people trying to cross), when we didn’t import oil (never happened ), when gas was a buck less (absolutely not true here, but admittedly it was cheaper…because crude oil was free due to zero demand and gas was cheap because no one was driving, compare it to 2019 and it’s not true anywhere) and yes, inflation was under 2%, but gdp was down 33% in one quarter and unemployment through the roof, with fed interest rates at zero (or less)….really shitty trade off.


Were or getting under control. ROTFLMFAHS!! He had 4 years, he added 1/3 of the debt and increased the deficit exponentially with nothing to show for it but division.

He spent tens of billions on a border fence/wall that UNQUESTIONABLY hasn’t slowed, much less stopped illegal border crossings but has caused ecological damage and/or just fallen down in many places.
Energy independence my ass. Such bullshit lies.
Gas, compared to pre pandemic rates the price rise is not excessive, you want to compare pandemic shutdown/recession price to now like a liar.
Inflation is 4.2%, a bit high not crazy (remember 14% in 1980? Stop whining and crying), so time to raise interest rates from zero. Easy fix, something we could agree on. Biden would say you’re welcome, getting the economy working creates inflation. It also creates demand for gasoline, raising the depressed Covid/Trump recession prices. You’re welcome. He also just secured funding for thousands of electric vehicle charging stations, making it easier to own a Tesla, raising your stock value. You’re welcome.

This energy independence bullshit is based on totally unrealistic pie in the sky predictions even if every project green lighted produces the top estimates without hiccups or failures….we do not and never have produced all the oil America uses, if we did, OPEC wouldn’t matter to us. (BTW, oil/energy independence was a Jimmy Carter plan but the right liked cheap foreign oil and hated conservation.). America has 3% of the world’s oil reserves but uses 24% of world wide oil production, we will never be energy independent while using oil…if we ever miraculously managed it, we would be out of oil in years.

These weren’t under control under Trump, and Republicans have zero plans to get them “under control”, either because they see no problems or because they have no solutions, you choose. Can you name a Republican plan? McConnel can’t.

Sidney Powell, according to reports admitted during her deposition that she also didn't bother to check and see if any of this stuff was true, because she felt according to what it says in this deposition, that the truth wasn't material to the inquiry.
Why did you not ask to provide a statement, correcting the misstatements that you had reported?
SP-That didn't seem to be the material part of the inquiry.
So she admits that she made these claims. She admitted that she had no evidence to back them up and then was asked, “okay. But then you knew they were false. Why didn't you go out there and correct the record? “
SP- “That didn’t seem material.”

They’ve admitted now that they just saw people putting unverified nonsense on Facebook and that's where they got it from. And they didn't vet it. They didn't research it. They didn't fact check any of it, both Giuliani and Sidney Powell admitted that in their depositions. Wasn’t their job to make sure what they claimed on national tv had any basis in reality, they say.
In fact, once it was proven that their claims were false, they still never went out and retracted any of their frivolous, baseless, impossible, nonsense accusations, just like you, buddy. They just moved on to the next lie they found on Facebook and never looked back. That’s why you believe the utter bullshit you believe, Bob. Because people like this, under Trump’s direction, lie to you and you eat it up and ask for more, even when they tell you directly under oath that it’s all made up fantasy with no basis in fact or reality and is often completely impossible because the people involved have been dead for decades and because Italian space lasers can’t actually change paper ballots ….you still believe it, or pretend to which is worse.

So all that bullshit about sitting up straight in my chair seems pretty miniscule after watching this.

bullshit
bullshit
bullshit

that's JUST NOT TRUE

or if it is, prove it, the property thing is debatable, but i want to see all the killings

I want court documents, not bullshit


here's a database of attacks from the anti defamation league https://www.adl.org/education-and-resources/resource-knowledge-base/adl-heat-map?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI9-X436DL6gIVWz2tBh084QccEAAYASAAEgJuN_D_BwE&s=eyJhc
mVhIjp7InN0YXRlIjoiUEEiLCJ0eXBlIjoic3RhdGUifSwiaWRlb2xvZ2llcyI6W10sImluY2lkZW50cyI6WyJFeHRyZW1pc3QvUG9saWNlIFNob290b3V0Il0sInllYXIiOlsyMDEwLDIwMjBdfQ%
253D%253D


more importantly, lets cut to the chase https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/27/us-rightwing-extremists-attacks-deaths-database-leftwing-antifa


@bobknight33 sorry bob, id give u court docs but they dont exist save for that one guy

*quality *doublepromote

And if you haven't seen it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaaC57tcci0


Coincidentally, this is one of the sites i used to regular prior to social media and widespread smartphone use. I think taht's why I keep it on my regular loaded tabs. Can't find all of my comments because of siftpocalypse or siftmageddon or whatever we called it when the servers went poof~! Ive lost a hard drive or two in my day. Rough stuff.

Speaking of which, we should make an effort to revive this site and get some more sifters sifting. We do have something unique here, something I miss from record stores and Blockbuster, actual human curators of content.


actual human curators of content
^ we don't have algorythms, we have voting
We don't have bots, we have people

I, for one, am sick of over-monetized-bullshit that all sounds the same constantly being shoved in my face, so i end up here. Maybe some of us are still affected by the crazy propaganda bug, +cough cough+ but the debates look closer to an actual townhall than one infected with too much nonsense for its own good.

Perhaps this would be better in a sift talk post. :-p

Damn, bad day for Trump….internal memos from the weeks before the big press conference with all Trump’s lawyers accusing Dominion (and long dead Hugo Chavez, Smartmatic, and George Soros) of vote fraud prove they knew all the claims were false well before the November 19 press conference where they publicly accused them all of treason by vote fraud.

The more we know, the more we know they knew....and we now have proof they knew they lost fairly before knowingly making false accusations, but just refused to accept it.

Before the first press conference they knew it was all bullshit, Bob. Proven by their own investigations, verified by their legal memos…it was nonsense....baseless delusion divorced from reality.
When are you going to get it that they constantly lie to you for money, power, and fame? Why does that not bother you?

Odd, 1/3!? I can’t recall a single time you’ve actually proven me wrong, and 9/10 of what you say is demonstrably wrong and the 10th thing you misunderstand.

Please give 3 specific examples where I am wrong but haven’t corrected my mistake. That should be easy.

I would rather be capable of speaking my native language well enough that I’m not constantly and convincingly being accused of being a foreigner posing as an American. Knowing your own language is step one for knowing anything else. You can’t learn properly if you don’t understand the words, this leaves you ignorant and mistaken 9/10 of the time, and targets for people like Trump who prey on the ignorant who will believe his nonsense because they don’t know better….that paired with your obstinate certitude in your mistakes makes you ridiculous, aggravating, and dangerous.

I don't think I know everything, but I can research what I don't know and still offer an intelligent educated response. Google and a bullshit filter are amazing teachers. I don't know why that's like sorcery to you.

Elitist!? Lol. So far off the mark, like most of what you say and think. ROTFLMAHS!

No.
No to Chuck Norris and no to fossil fuel industry bullshit.

This is propaganda from an oil company. Carbon capture technology is bullshit to distract you from thinking it is okay to continue drilling oil at a rate that will cause catastrophic harm from global warming. Solar, wind, nuclear, and battery powered electric vehicles are how we get off of our addiction to oil.

I don't give a fuck that the chuckleheads in Texas passed this idiotic law -- it's Texas and you knew what you were getting when you rooked that shithole from Mexico. No, what terrifies and infuriates me is that SCotUS totally smiled at this bullshit like it was a cop expecting a blowjob from you for not writing a ticket.

Notice how the same assholes who yelled "ACTIVIST JUDGES!" are silent now.