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New Rule: Distinction Deniers

JiggaJonson says...

No, making the argument that one is not as bad as the other isn't the same as making excuses. It's exactly what he said, they're both unacceptable, and he's trying to define the spectrum.

I have a touch more time, so let me go back to your first example.
Yes, if some dude broke my leg, yes I would appreciate that they didn't murder me.

Obviously, I don't want either thing to happen, but justice is about assigning degrees of a spectrum to an infinite number of variables of what is decidedly wrong. Please admit, it's at least imprecise to have a one-size-fits-all justice system.

I won't repeat the examples already given that should have laid bare the problems equating what should be corrected gingerly vs using a heavy hand, but I want to reiterate that they ring true for me.

NSFW warning:

I've had bad dates where I've been made to feel awkward. Believe it or not, I've been in a sexual encounter where I've been forced to hmmm... finish... inside a girl when I didn't want to. We had been together a short time and she was ENAMORED with me, and I felt 'meh' about her. (don't put your dick in crazy)

Long story short, I'm strict about using birth control so I'm not making kids when I don't want to. Although, in the heat of the moment, I'm not above a tried and true pulling out for lack of a better option. This had been the plan going into the sexual encounter, but when I let out a warning about a climax, instead of helping me push her off, she pushed her hands against my shoulders and clamped her thighs onto me. I objected "wait!!! no!!!" but not being a fucking Buddhist monk with complete control over every muscle in my body, well, you can imagine where it went from there.


Shortly thereafter, she started asking me what I thought about this or that baby name and it became clearer what she was really after. (yes really)

I waited for confirmation that she wasn't pregnant and we broke up immediately after, because of that and a general disinterest that I had towards her as a person.

That was when I was ehh? 19? idk, somewhere around there. More than 10 years ago at least.

But I digress, did what she did feel a little 'rape-y' to me? I said no, It was something we talked about beforehand, setting up parameters, etc. but it ended up just being a bad experience. Because of that bad experience I never really talked to her again. She does some kind of work in 3d printing now last I checked.

I don't think it's crazy to not want her to lose her job, and not want to file criminal charges against her, --- and this is key --- because even though something happened that was non consensual, I don't consider what happened rape, and I would NEVER equate what happened to me to what happened to all of Weinstein's victims because they fall on opposite ends of the spectrum.

Neither one was okay, and one is worse than the other.

ChaosEngine said:

Sure, but why does he then spend the rest of the argument talking about how one isn't as bad as the other?

It just feels like making excuses.

Yeah, we get it. Rape > groping > other dumb shit.

Mike Pence is not as bad as ISIS. There, I said it. Congratulations on passing the lowest bar possible. I still don't want him as president.

Even if Minnie Driver makes a stupid comment, she's not a spokesperson for everyone who supports #metoo.

The fundamental point to me is that senator's quote.
"I think when we start having to talk about the differences between sexual assault and sexual harassment and unwanted groping you are having the wrong conversation.... You need to draw a line in the sand and say none of it is O.K. None of it is acceptable"

Kevin Smith Shares A Moment With Daughter Harley Quinn Smith

Fairbs says...

It immediately reminded me of Harlequin Romances (hmm wonder what that means for me?). Anyway it just came off as kind of a dumb name to be burdened with. In other news, Isis has becomes a lot less popular as a baby name recently.

poolcleaner said:

Don't name your children after comic book characters or people from the bible. Thanks.

Mom, I'm Going To My Room If You're Going To Yell At Me

budzos says...

EDIT: I'm old fashioned... I think names should mean something or come from somewhere or at least NOT be picked from a top ten list of baby names.

George Carlin stopped being funny 10 yrs before he died. I don't laugh I just get annoyed at the cranky old bastard taking his logic too far. I'm not just following a generational pattern. Jayden, Cayden, Brayden... these are genuinely dumb names and you're a goofy trend follower if you name your kid this way (including any time past 2004, when it was already old).

EDIT #2: Literally MORE THAN HALF of my friends' male kids born in the past ten years have names like this. I'm so fucking sick of it.

>> ^Trancecoach:

I think you've got a point.>> ^budzos:
What is with this name Jayden? Why is every second male being on the planet now named Jayden, Cayden, or Brayden? When did the world become so fucking stupid!?


Mom, How Did I Get My Name?

thinker247 says...

How's it going, Zeddediah?

>> ^ShakyJake:
Haha, this was good. I always have to laugh when I see something like this make it onto regular TV.
I once found the old "baby names" book my parents had. The two that were circled were "Jacob" and "Zeddediah". I'm glad they went with the less kooky one.

Mom, How Did I Get My Name?

ShakyJake says...

Haha, this was good. I always have to laugh when I see something like this make it onto regular TV.

I once found the old "baby names" book my parents had. The two that were circled were "Jacob" and "Zeddediah". I'm glad they went with the less kooky one.

maatc (Member Profile)

MINK says...

i think most popular are "Eglė" for a girl (meaning pine, pronounced like "ugly" haha) and "Jonas" for a boy.

ones we like:
boy: matas, tomas, giedrius, nidas (tomas mann had a house in Nida, if that means something to you!)
girl: Delija, Agnė

but if you wanna go really stylish, go russian
http://www.weddingvendors.com/baby-names/origin/russian/

i love this one:
Aloyoshenka
Russian · Male
meaning:
Defends mankind.

lol!


In reply to this comment by maatc:
Will give that a thought!
What are the most popular names in Lithuania?

In reply to this comment by MINK:
all german girls should be called "Helga" and all boys should be called "Hans".

I know this because i learnt german from a book.

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