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enoch (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

replying here to avoid hijacking another thread...but leaving it public in case others might be interested in my reasoning, or yours.

Perhaps at times he has advocated responsible use, but often (like this instance) it's nothing more than 'DMT is what you all need, take some'.

I also agree, some people may benefit from psychedelics...but some may have disastrous experiences that end in death or permanent brain damage, especially when not done with pharmaceutical grade substances (which is never mentioned here). You never know what you have on the black market, video's I've seen of testing being done on drugs bought at 'raves' and concerts showed that well over 50% were not what they were supposed to be, or had dangerous adulterants. Unless you pay for testing, you don't know what you've got (sometimes true even with pharmaceuticals, sadly).

I also see it that way, as proselytizing for a drug that can have life altering effects, sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse. That always leaves out the dangers and usually any warning on how to be 'safe' at all, which leaves some readers thinking there are no dangers. That's my main issue, if there was a clear warning with each advocating instance, I wouldn't complain (but might still disagree that it's good for all).

My point exactly, people are made differently and what works for one may destroy another. That's why blanketly advocating strong drugs is a problem for me.

I have a healthy respect for psychedelics and their effects, especially one's as strong as DMT, which is why I'm disturbed at the off hand, blanket promotion of taking them without clear warnings included.

Ken Kesey beat you to the cult of acid by what, 47 years or so, at least according to Tom Wolfe. (Electric koolaid acid test)

enoch said:

@newtboy
while i agree that shagen tends to get downright biblical in regards to psychedelics,i have never seen him suggest taking them irresponsibly or in an abusive manner.

in fact,i have seen him on multiple occasions lay out proper procedure to have a safe and enjoyable trip.

i actually agree with shagen the positive benefits psychedelics can have on a person,having experienced them myself on multiple occasions,over a span of decades.

the difference between shagen and i,is that i see trying to sway someone who has never ingested psychedelics into taking them in the very same vein as trying to sway an atheist into believing in jesus.

it is never going to happen,so why would i waste my time?

it is like trying to teach a blind man the color blue,or a woman what it is like to have a penis.

certain people have certain personality traits that may lend them to experiment with psychedelics.other people do not.one should not be judged greater or lesser than the other,because both represent personal choice.

personally i love psychedelics,for many of the reasons shagen posts.you may not,for your own reasons.totally fair in my book.
you will never see me at your door asking "having you found the joys of chemically induced hallucinations yet?"

maybe i should.....
i shall call it the "cult of acid".
let the doorknocking BEGIN!

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MrFisk says...

What the fuck are you talking about? Red herrings and ad hominums abound in your drivel.
Are you suggesting that this video lacks merit because you're disgruntled about the decision to send more troops into Afghanistan?
Or, are you upset with the impending cost of sugar overtaking high fructose corn syrup, suggesting that once I can no longer afford to buy kool-aid, I will see clearly?
Are you talking about Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters' Kool-Aid?
Or, once I quit smoking pot I'll become as aware as you obviously think you are?

My literary taste brings all the boys to the yard. (Geek Talk Post)

jonny says...

Tao Te Ching - Lao Tzu
The Hobbit - J. R. R. Tolkien
Dune - Frank Herbert
Gödel, Escher, Bach - Douglas Hofstadter
One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich - Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Galapagos - Kurt Vonnegut
Live from Golgotha - Gore Vidal
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest - Ken Kesey
Siddhartha - Herman Hesse
Catch-22 - Joseph Heller


Those are 10 off the top of my head, in no particular order. Some I consider favorites, others made a strong enough impression that they always come to mind when someone asks a question like this.

theaceofclubz (Member Profile)

MrFisk says...

A Clockwork Orange was better, I think. The Godfather movie is superior to the book. Lord of Rings by far. Let's see, Lolita, by Kubrick.

In reply to this comment by theaceofclubz:
Like the song. Love the Movie. Did I mention that the book is awesomely phenomenal? Also, Ken Kesey is just the shit in general. IMHO this is the best book to movie adaptation ever. If someone else has a better alternative, I am open to examine.

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theaceofclubz says...

Like the song. Love the Movie. Did I mention that the book is awesomely phenomenal? Also, Ken Kesey is just the shit in general. IMHO this is the best book to movie adaptation ever. If someone else has a better alternative, I am open to examine.

Hilarious Timothy Leary interview

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wazant (Member Profile)

jonny says...

Excellent choices. I'll add the 2nd one to the playlist during the day so hopefully they can both get some more eyeballs. If you haven't listened to it already, check out that Jack Straw - one of the best I've ever heard (hurry up and get gold so you can save it for me! )

In reply to this comment by wazant:
Hey, saw your playlist and subtle plea for more material so I thought to submit a couple of my favorite Dead classics. You'll find 'em in the queue.

In reply to this comment by jonny:
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Don't forget to check out the GD playlist too - http://www.videosift.com/playlists/jonny/Ladies-Gentlemen-The-Grateful-Dead


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Hallucinogen - LSD - Live on Mount Fuji, Japan in 2002

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