Holy bat shit Robin,
They caught the bad guy who tried to murder Pelosi and her husband.

Big surprise, his Facebook posts look EXACTLY like the stupid debunked nonsense you post constantly. Election denial, covid denials, Jan 6 denials, accusations that the Jan 6 bipartisan committee is “one sided”, idiotic memes, random conspiracy theories, and videos of Chump and Mikepillow.

Possibly the headquarters burglary was a random break in by a moron too dumb to know there’s nothing to steal there and not politically motivated (but still political nonetheless), highly unlikely but possible, but the attempted assassination was definitely more MAGA terrorism from typical everyday magots just like you.

Party of (this time just attempted) death, destruction, and debauchery, with more examples every single day, fool.

I think the right has never learned this truism….
Friedrich Nietzsche - Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.

You created false monsters to fight, now you are monsters.
You created an abyss of fantasy conspiracy theories to cudgel the left with, and they became your belief system.

*snipped*
Remember Friedrich Nietzsche - Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.

Then you haven't been paying attention.
I believe in equal treatment. That means I don't support the oppressed becoming oppressive. Revenge isn't about justice.

"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. "-Friedrich Nietzsche

Until all that dark shit you have been suppressing finally overwhelms your armour of contempt and you either:

A. Have such a cripplingly dark and nihilistic episode of backed up depression you finally kill yourself.

B. Break all the way through to a state of catatonic schizophrenia and need to to institutionalised.

or

C. Snap the other way and go on a self righteous violent rampage (think "Falling down" on a smaller scale)

"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." -Friedrich Nietzsche


"The abyss" (of the futility at the core of the human condition) will never be your friend. Embracing it will only blind you to the entropy you are now helping to facilitate.


I'm a student of Epistemology (philosophy) and I'm absolutely no stranger to nihilism. It's a crucible anyone that wants to understand "reality/truth" has to go through. But its only 50% of the equation and offers only futility and darkness.

The other side is simple: if there is no God or ultimate truth then we ourselves are as Gods because we can choose our own purpose and reality (to a point mind!). Life can be virtually anything you want it to be.


Now on some level what you have quoted/suggested there would fall into this category, you would be making a positive choice to define your own reality. However the reality you are defining is a mirror to the abyss you are trying to escape, it is akin to trying to fight a monster. You will surely become/have become the monster you are fighting.

How do you think the monsters that make one feel so depressed in the 1st place come into being? They were staring into "the abyss" too!



Do you just want the depression to go away for a while? Or do you want to replace it with something beautiful instead? (or was this whole thing a Joke that I missed?)


Philosophy/pshychobabble aside what you are describing there basically = shunting all your negativity onto others around you. "If I take out all my shit on other people I don't feel so bad".

This seems like a less than ideal solution and is basically what one of my best friends does when he feels down. When he does so it makes me and others that know him seriously question why we put up with him.

I have nothing but sympathy for people that feel that "special darkness", but taking it out on others is not something I'm willing to tolerate from people I know. It's the main reason half of us are in this mess in the 1st place. People who don't give a fuck how the things they say and do will affect those around them, are pretty hard to keep giving a fuck about . "An eye for an eye will blind the world"

"God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. Yet his shadow still looms. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?" -Friedrich Nietzsche


^ We have murdered our God's because we (rightly) came to understand that by this very act were to become their superiors. The "Will to power" (the most fundamental force in the human psyche) always demanded that this must one day come to pass, we were always destined to outlive our fairy tales.
However given our God's now lie dead at our feet the same "Will to power" demands of us a stark choice...

We can stare forever into the abyss of meaninglessness we have created in their place.....
or
We can fill that void with the only meaningful entity that remains, ourselves!

We have killed the God's, now WE must take their place. The "Ubermenschen" are simply those Human's who have attained such a mastery of their own minds that the left hemisphere of the brain (where logic & rational thought occur) has complete assess and control of the right (where the God's & spirit/emotions/inspiration live).

This is why I would never call myself an Atheist but rather a post-modern Gnostic. The God's & spirits did exist to us in every sense that matters, all we changed was our relationship to them. Instead of being their slaves we are now their masters, and we can command them to do whatsoever we please.
Or to put it another way, we became masters of our own reality when we killed our tyrannical God's, now it's time for us to exercise this new found power. (Novus Ordo Mundi! ;-) )

☠
"In Hoc Signo Vinces"

>> ^DerHasisttot:

When he pronounced "Friedrich Nietzsche" correctly, I immediately thought of the scene in the Simpsons when Sideshow Bob reveals his "Die Bart, die" - tattoo.


No one who speaks German could be evil!

When he pronounced "Friedrich Nietzsche" correctly, I immediately thought of the scene in the Simpsons when Sideshow Bob reveals his "Die Bart, die" - tattoo.

>> ^alizarin:

Regarding assassination:
( ) President Gerald Ford issued an executive order banning political assassinations in 1976. However, Congress approved the use of military force against al-Qaida after the 9/11 terrorist attacks. People on the target list are considered to be military enemies of the US and therefore not subject to the ban on political assassination.
I agree with John Stewart's main point at the end - Obama is leaving this stuff too open to abuse and needs to close possible loopholes right away.
You can make the case that Al-Qaida is a legit military target and as such it's not really an assassination, just warfare. But where do you formalize what groups are "terrorists" and which individuals get lumped in, and how do you decide if a situation is dire enough to assassinate a militant American citizen vs capture and put him on trial? I don't think Obama is likely to let anything nasty happen but that's way too big of a danger to leave out there.
This story got big when Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair said this in congressional testimony:
“Being a US citizen will not spare an American from getting assassinated by military or intelligence operatives overseas if the individual is working with terrorists and planning to attack fellow Americans.” He added, “We don’t target people for free speech; we target them for taking action that threatens Americans.”
Again, not crazy reasoning...if an American is hiding in Yemen and plotting to blow up a plane maybe we can blow him up first, but way to wide open to avoid abuse. I'm a big Obama fan but I'm pissed that he's running this free and loose with this stuff. Hopefully it's on his to-do list and nothing nasty will become of it before he's done.


Not crazy reasoning? What is this? Israel? That's pretty fucking crazy reasoning. Apologist jingoism is unbecoming. What happened to due process? All because the Criminal suddenly became an enemy of the state?

I point you to a Movie, The Unthinkable. It's just a movie, of course, but it's the thought that it invokes. Just how far are you prepared to go?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unthinkable

Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.
-Friedrich Nietzsche

It's like legal precedence. You allow one case to become a trend setter and many more judgments will follow that case. It's not a slippery slope argument, its a matter of legal precedence. If the US starts assassinating *citizens*, even if they are *terrorists* where does that leave the rest of the citizens? It's a terrible and disgusting thing to think about.

I don't think that there's been a legally declared War since WWII.

What they've unwittingly done is show why science is superior to religious dogma. Ofcourse there are many scientific "truths" that, in time, will be qualified or disgarded, it's called learning. The difference between science and religion is that scientists question and look for the correct answer. They keep questioning until a truth- like the earth being a globe or the earth orbiting the sun- is arrived at. At any time their "truth" is also open to question. Were it not, we would still believe the earth was flat and the sun orbited us. The religious, on the other hand, question nothing and simply accept with blind faith. "Faith means never wanting to know what is true" Friedrich Nietzsche.

What in the fucking hell were they thinking? I do hope they did something like AC suggests, because hell, this would have given me nightmares now. (that first scene anyway)

>> ^ponceleon:
yeah, way to quote fail:
He who fights too long against dragons becomes a dragon himself; and if you gaze too long into the abyss, the abyss will gaze into you.
-Friedrich Nietzsche


Heh, correction fail.

"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."
Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil, Aphorism 146

http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/26964.html

Pff, dragons.. who ever heard of dragons?

yeah, way to quote *fail:

He who fights too long against dragons becomes a dragon himself; and if you gaze too long into the abyss, the abyss will gaze into you.
-Friedrich Nietzsche

That depends on the "aggressor" and the reasons for their aggression. There are always exacerbating circumstances to war, and it's usually something that could have been solved diplomatically. Say your neighboring country is going to invade to seize your resources. Is there no way for you to share those resources in exchange for something of theirs? Do you even make the effort to try or do you just start chucking bombs and killing people?

Pacifism is about seeking non-violent means to solve conflicts, and accepting the consequences of your unwillingness to fight.

In the war in Iraq, for example, who is the aggressor? The Iraqis? Saddam Hussein? Al-Qaeda? No, it's the USA. We gave Hussein the power to assume his position as leader, knowing he was a colossal uncontrollable prick, and when we get the opportunity, then we make up evidence that he's a threat to the world, invade a sovereign nation, and destroy the lives of countless people. All could have been prevented if we'd just stayed out of Iran in the 50's.

Look at the conflict in Israel, that could have been prevented with diplomatic action in the early 30's, by removing the political/economic reasons that led to Hitler's rise to power and the subsequent invasion of Poland, WWII and the holocaust, that led to the guilt that created Israel and evicted the Palestinians from their rightful land.

Now I'm not a foreign affair/national security/economic policy advisor, I'm just a guy on the internet. There are people far more qualified and educated on the nuances of politics than I am, I would just like to see them make the same connections that I can and do their utmost to avoid the disastrous consequences of their actions.

“He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster.” -Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil

hear! hear! He's filling a unique niche...

I quote this wisdom to anyone not already a choggie fan:

"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently." ~Friedrich Nietzsche

Umm... The description of Friedrich Nietzsche that you gave is incorrect. "God is Dead" is not an atheist statement, but the assertion that an increasingly secular society has made God obsolete. This won't lead to societal collapse, but the total lack of a universal truth.

Socialist? I'm too lazy to refute your arguments, but I don't think our country nor our education is Marxist.

I agree with theo47's point but would add another reason that he didn't mention (but would hopefully agree with):

I don't want my internets populated by people who agree with me---and please forgive that (sadly) laughable cliche, because I really mean it.
Deano: please don't become a micro-example of all that is retrogressive in modern human cultures by suggesting that those with whom you disagree be silenced.

It reminds me of a quote:
The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher regard those who think alike than those who think differently.
- Friedrich Nietzsche

QM spouts a lot of exclusionary, narrow-minded and callous rhetoric *on a web forum*. There are worse things in this world. He is also one persona who stands almost alone against popular opinion. While I personally despise pretty much every single post of his that I have read, I personally encourage him/her/it to continue posting and downvoting (the horror) as long as he wants.

I can take it. And so can you.


The irony of all of this is that QM would probably ban certain people here in a heartbeat---myself included. Mmmmm delicious!

Ok. rant over. Thanks for your time.