>> ^BenjaminFranklin2u:
I think the majority of Americans are smarter than we give them credit for. Yea they're lazy and most of them didn't vote so they got stuck with a dumbfuck president, but when some obvious and deliberate frauds start occurring I'm confident that they people will stand up....and they all have guns and know how to use them.


Alot of people that I know still think that guns kill people. They were made for that purpose yes, but they still need an operator.

They say that the purpose of the gun is to kill and that is all it does.

I say that the knife, the bludgeon, the human hands are all made to kill. Once I state that they seem to buckle in their beliefs that a gun can kill some one by itself.

These are tools of human construct, any thing can be made to kill or maim. When anti gun arguments argue that fact, I hold a picture of all of these tools mentioned above, up.

In the movie Borne Identity, Jason uses a ball point pen to kill the competition. Bring these things up to a person who says that keeping guns away from a lawful citizen is going to stop violent crime.

My point is here, of the people I have asked opinions of have given me some pretty uneducated answers.

I like my constitutional rights, "the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed." teh 2nd - That doesn't mean be an ass about it.

And to the point of the Esteemed Mr Franklin: I do not trust the American people as a whole, because "'A person is smart.' - (K)Kay

'People are dumb, panicky,
dangerous animals. You know it.' - (J)Jay" Men In black taken from here.

As far as whether Obama has "flip flopped" on the issue, he hasn't. He's always talked about 16 months being a goal, but that he will listen to the advice of the Generals about what rate is safe, and what troop levels should be when the bulk of our forces have been withdrawn. He's never said every troop would be removed from Iraq in any scenario that I've heard.

My own take is that Obama will end the "war", mostly through changing the definition of our presence. Bush & the Neocons want us to view this as some gigantic battle, like the Cold War, with Al Qaeda being the new enemy, and try to sell this to the American people as being a "transcendent" battle with evil (Islamic fundamentalism), and that military action is the only solution. They also want to use it as an excuse to expand the power of the executive, and shred the constitution with wiretapping and Guantanamo.

Everyone else with braincells sees this as a complex situation that needs much more diplomacy than military presence, and wouldn't classify this as a "war", but instead as supporting a fledgling government while it builds the capability to defend itself. It's certainly not an existential struggle with a mortal enemy who has the slightest chance of defeating us.

I think Obama will cut the number of troops in Iraq dramatically, and will refrain from building permanent bases, but I'm guessing there will be some non-trivial number of troops (30,000 or so) left there for a long period of time (beyond 2013). As long as it stops being used as a bludgeon to violate the Constitution, and we stop spending ridiculous mountains of money with no effective benefit, I'll be satisfied, even if there are still troops in Iraq.

Obama's position has always been to end those two aspects of the war, and that's satisfactory to me.

As far as other issues go, I don't really see any issue as being in a vacuum. Economic problems affect me more directly, but economic problems are at least in part connected to the war; oil price and inflation are both likely tied to how we've run the Iraq war.

I'd still say my top issues this year are constitutional in nature -- restoring the impartiality of justice, restoring checks and balances, limiting domestic surveillance, and most of all, ending a policy of detaining people without trial while torturing them. Those don't currently affect me directly (as far as I know!), but they're crucial for the health of our nation. If those things aren't fixed, the experiment with Democracy here in America is truly over.

(First, sorry for the crappy english speaking)

Politic decisions are sometimes (always ?) way above the common masses comprehension. Of course they lied. In fact, every single governement lies. It can't be done in another way. Just try to explain to a kid that "our president has given the order to our army to bludgeon a whole country in order to save our economy and avoid our country to be an economic wasteland".

I'm not saying that they have to lie, that it was justified, but simply that it has always been like that. There is two distinct worlds : The hills of the powerful and The valley of the masses.

It reminds me of the opening of 2001. A bunch of primates living in a very dry barren world. What did those proto-humans eat before they learned to bludgeon neighboring family groups with decomposing femurs? What do those baboons eat without bludgeoning each other to death?

upvote for righteous indignation

also love the old man shooing them with a bludgeoning object

lucky, you cruel s.o.b No major offense intended really, as I've done a little hunting myself, but I mean, what's there to laugh at? And did you really think for a second the plank was meant for killing it? I don't think anybody would dare post a video on VS showing people bludgeoning animals to death (no, that's not a dare) and I think you should have realized that, too.

Besides, this was just a fawn/calf and although it's not illegal to hunt them in most countries, in UK, for instance, killing it with the plank would be considered against the law. Anyway, immoral is what it would be, even with a rifle.

Upvote for the nice man. Yes, the same who first reached for his camera, not went to free it straightaway.

*ban, but I'm still gonna take his advice.

I'm off to beat, stab, bludgeon, kill, and tease all those responsible for human rights violations! Viva la resistance!

And I will make sure I do it to ALL PERSONS!!!!!

^Definitely. Seriously, he got the shaft. A choice between incinerating people, bludgeoning them with boulders, drowning them, tearing them apart with a tornado, and uhh.. what exactly does "heart" do?

And I never made the connection of the villian "Duke Nukem" before either.

Very interesting. Thanks for the insight.

And you're right - Bush calls himself "The Decider" and he uses "executive privilege" as an excuse to cover his misdeeds.

Political protestors have been arrested illegally many, many times, only to be released later on. They've been shot at close range with rubber and wooden bullets, and bludgeoned without cause. They've been corralled in "free speech zones." They've had their organizations infiltrated by undercover agents working for the government, who often times proved to be agent provocateurs. All this happened in America under Bush’s rule.

I can't say I'd want to live in Belarus - but I will say I wish that America would stop looking so much like it.

Well, as president, I would promise to drag pharmaceutical company's CEO's, into the street, and bludgeon them to death with a human femur, on national television....

I would then put agri-business, back into the hands of local and regional farmers, then repeat step one, with the CEO's of Con-Agra, Archer-Daniels Midland, Dow chemicals, and their many subsidiaries....

I would then outlaw fast-food restaurants (slow-death troughs) replacing them with memorials to the fallen.

I would then bring an awareness of the human condition full-circle, through subsidizing holistic, naturopathic, and nutritional awareness.

I would do away with the FDA.

I would create, in short, a country, where fools need not rely on the establishment for their peace of mind, rather, their own awareness of systems already in place, which could give them less fear of living, and more confidence in dying.

Sorry about the cancer, an unfortunate combination of unhealthy living, genetic predisposition, and a nation fucked from birth, with business-as-usual, diversion.

We should just keep bludgeoning this video to death.

Y'know, if the folks that talk change really wanted it, instead of worring about the ozone layer, bludgeoning of baby seals, wobal glorming and politics, would return to the heartlands of the U.S., buy the cheap property that walmart has provided in foreclosures, etc., revitalize these areas with permaculture, family farms, dairies, etc., and refuse to shop this monster.....each one that had to close its doors as these small towns with new blood created a new livelihood and paradigm, would be another reason to dance on the ashes of the old world, which is the one we are in now, whose inhabitants sensibilities, are firmly planted up the collective ass.


Believe it, we have heard the whining before, of folks who apologetically say, that they are forced to shop here, that there is no-where else, blah blah blah blah blah....BULLSHIT! That pathetic excuse reeks, you create alternatives to bullshit, while there is still time......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._O._Wilson

Raised in an evangelical Baptist household in Alabama, its always a pleasure to hear Dr. Wilson talk about his views on the pairing of religion and science. I highly recommend all of his books (even The Ant, which, in a pinch, could certainly serve to bludgeon even the thickest of skulls).

Very good points, baqueta.

But I still have to take issue with the reduction of the whole phenomenological experience of "religion" as something based solely on air, hubris and nonsense. I grant wholly that many religious people do not bother to make this distinction, though, and merely bludgeon the non-believer with "faith".

Every religious phenomenon (including modern atheism) has its antecedents in measurable historical conditions and concrete cultural values. And I do not know if the Church of Scientific Method is the best or even the only means for measuring the pursuit of an ethical and creative existence.

...this is the kind of mealy-mouthed, wannabe, bullshit tactic, that someone like that sorry-ass ho McCartney married on Linda rebound....that bitch is delusional!

(dress her in leather, cover her in calf blood, and force feed her veal-tar tar, whilst showing her films of baby-seal bludgeoning, ala Clockwork Orange!!!!