I started watching AFL on ESPN3...mostly because I couldn't understand what the FUCK was going on. I really like this sport...its just fun to watch and its weird not having grown up around it. I also find the psychology of another sport that I've never been exposed to interesting.

And the cute girl ref

>> ^spoco2:

(I was going to link to a video of Meatloaf performing at our 2011 AFL grand final, because that was actually live and HORRIBLE... but it would seem he's done a good job of having all copies taken down)


Here you go. You werent lying, that is HORRIBLE!

http://rutube.ru/tracks/4868949.html

Three things:
a) Yeah, a lip synced 'show' is hardly 'livemusic', so I don't think it fits there... and it makes me sad that people are fine with watching someone move around and pretend to sing like that
b) Who the fuck cares that she flipped the bird... man the outcry in America when someone does that is so FUCKING SAD. It's just so baffling to see American shows with someone flipping the bird being blurred out. Grow the fuck up
c) The staging of it was pretty sweet.

(I was going to link to a video of Meatloaf performing at our 2011 AFL grand final, because that was actually live and HORRIBLE... but it would seem he's done a good job of having all copies taken down)

But on that note it reminded me of a damn fine ad that ran during last year's AFL grand final... which hadn't been posted here. For shame! Shameless plug for own sift

The solution is to only allow 50% of people to vote?

Nowhere does it state in the text of the column that voting is to be restricted for anyone, only that stupid, uninformed voters may be the end of the Republic.

Civil war? May happen anyway.



>> ^dannym3141:

>> ^quantumushroom:
"Consider the Ohio voters. Ohio has a failing economy with one of the nation’s highest state income tax rates and forced unionization – Ohio private sector workers can be forced to join a union in order to work. By a narrow margin they elected a governor, John Kasich, who promised to bring government employee unions under control. Kasich ushered a law through the Ohio legislature that restricted collective bargaining rights for government employee unions.
"OK … let’s stop here for a moment and consider government unions engaging in collective bargaining. Would you like to know two prominent people in American history who steadfastly opposed government union collective bargaining? That would be Franklin D. Roosevelt and labor giant George Meany, the former president of the AFL-CIO. That’s not to say these men didn’t support the growth of unions! Come on! FDR and George Meany? Of course they were pro-union. But they recognized that while private sector unions were bargaining for a share of the profits they produced through their work, government sector unions didn’t generate profits. They were merely negotiating for taxpayer money … negotiating with politicians they put in office with their campaign contributions and volunteer efforts on election day.
"So now the uninformed and often flat-out ignorant voters of Ohio have handed these collective bargaining rights back to the government sector unions. They will not resume negotiations with the very officials they put into office for the money in the pockets of the people who gave them that power. The only way Ohio government entities will have to handle the rising costs will be to raise taxes, cut services or fire workers.
"Yes --- I understand. The question on the ballot for Ohio voters was poorly worded. Worded, in fact, to favor the union organizers who got that question put on the ballot through a petition process. That doesn’t excuse the voters. This is their money, their economy, their future and the future of their children. They owed it to themselves and their children to become informed on the issues. They didn’t. Ohio will suffer. They will suffer. Their children will suffer if they don’t get the hell out of Ohio and move to Wisconsin or some other state with right-to-work laws where government sector unions don’t have collective bargaining rights.
"Democracy is ugly. Majority rule can be a disaster. There is a reason our founding fathers thought it to be a good idea to limit who had the privilege (not the right) of going to the polls and selecting our leaders. There was a reason our founding fathers did not include a right to vote in a federal election – including voting for our president – in the constitution. They didn’t trust mobs. They didn’t want to see the “mindless whims of the masses” translated into law. They were right … but to no avail. Now the masses are taking their ignorance to the polls. We live in a country where over half of the people get some kind of a check from the government every month without working for it … and they vote. Now you tell me how we’re supposed to survive that."

Neal Boortz from "In the end ... it's the idiot voters destroying the country "

The solution is to only allow 50% of people to vote? I'd consider what the long term effects of that were before chasing that dream if i were you. You might find yourself either in a civil war or at the helm of an oppressive government in effect holding half a nation prisoner.
Democratic government was founded upon the mindless whims of the masses, it is supposed to be subject to the national will.
And now it serves the mindless whims of the few. Up with Occupy.

>> ^quantumushroom:

"Consider the Ohio voters. Ohio has a failing economy with one of the nation’s highest state income tax rates and forced unionization – Ohio private sector workers can be forced to join a union in order to work. By a narrow margin they elected a governor, John Kasich, who promised to bring government employee unions under control. Kasich ushered a law through the Ohio legislature that restricted collective bargaining rights for government employee unions.
"OK … let’s stop here for a moment and consider government unions engaging in collective bargaining. Would you like to know two prominent people in American history who steadfastly opposed government union collective bargaining? That would be Franklin D. Roosevelt and labor giant George Meany, the former president of the AFL-CIO. That’s not to say these men didn’t support the growth of unions! Come on! FDR and George Meany? Of course they were pro-union. But they recognized that while private sector unions were bargaining for a share of the profits they produced through their work, government sector unions didn’t generate profits. They were merely negotiating for taxpayer money … negotiating with politicians they put in office with their campaign contributions and volunteer efforts on election day.
"So now the uninformed and often flat-out ignorant voters of Ohio have handed these collective bargaining rights back to the government sector unions. They will not resume negotiations with the very officials they put into office for the money in the pockets of the people who gave them that power. The only way Ohio government entities will have to handle the rising costs will be to raise taxes, cut services or fire workers.
"Yes --- I understand. The question on the ballot for Ohio voters was poorly worded. Worded, in fact, to favor the union organizers who got that question put on the ballot through a petition process. That doesn’t excuse the voters. This is their money, their economy, their future and the future of their children. They owed it to themselves and their children to become informed on the issues. They didn’t. Ohio will suffer. They will suffer. Their children will suffer if they don’t get the hell out of Ohio and move to Wisconsin or some other state with right-to-work laws where government sector unions don’t have collective bargaining rights.
"Democracy is ugly. Majority rule can be a disaster. There is a reason our founding fathers thought it to be a good idea to limit who had the privilege (not the right) of going to the polls and selecting our leaders. There was a reason our founding fathers did not include a right to vote in a federal election – including voting for our president – in the constitution. They didn’t trust mobs. They didn’t want to see the “mindless whims of the masses” translated into law. They were right … but to no avail. Now the masses are taking their ignorance to the polls. We live in a country where over half of the people get some kind of a check from the government every month without working for it … and they vote. Now you tell me how we’re supposed to survive that."

Neal Boortz from "In the end ... it's the idiot voters destroying the country "


The solution is to only allow 50% of people to vote? I'd consider what the long term effects of that were before chasing that dream if i were you. You might find yourself either in a civil war or at the helm of an oppressive government in effect holding half a nation prisoner.

Democratic government was founded upon the mindless whims of the masses, it is supposed to be subject to the national will.

And now it serves the mindless whims of the few. Up with Occupy.

"Consider the Ohio voters. Ohio has a failing economy with one of the nation’s highest state income tax rates and forced unionization – Ohio private sector workers can be forced to join a union in order to work. By a narrow margin they elected a governor, John Kasich, who promised to bring government employee unions under control. Kasich ushered a law through the Ohio legislature that restricted collective bargaining rights for government employee unions.

"OK … let’s stop here for a moment and consider government unions engaging in collective bargaining. Would you like to know two prominent people in American history who steadfastly opposed government union collective bargaining? That would be Franklin D. Roosevelt and labor giant George Meany, the former president of the AFL-CIO. That’s not to say these men didn’t support the growth of unions! Come on! FDR and George Meany? Of course they were pro-union. But they recognized that while private sector unions were bargaining for a share of the profits they produced through their work, government sector unions didn’t generate profits. They were merely negotiating for taxpayer money … negotiating with politicians they put in office with their campaign contributions and volunteer efforts on election day.

"So now the uninformed and often flat-out ignorant voters of Ohio have handed these collective bargaining rights back to the government sector unions. They will not resume negotiations with the very officials they put into office for the money in the pockets of the people who gave them that power. The only way Ohio government entities will have to handle the rising costs will be to raise taxes, cut services or fire workers.

"Yes --- I understand. The question on the ballot for Ohio voters was poorly worded. Worded, in fact, to favor the union organizers who got that question put on the ballot through a petition process. That doesn’t excuse the voters. This is their money, their economy, their future and the future of their children. They owed it to themselves and their children to become informed on the issues. They didn’t. Ohio will suffer. They will suffer. Their children will suffer if they don’t get the hell out of Ohio and move to Wisconsin or some other state with right-to-work laws where government sector unions don’t have collective bargaining rights.

"Democracy is ugly. Majority rule can be a disaster. There is a reason our founding fathers thought it to be a good idea to limit who had the privilege (not the right) of going to the polls and selecting our leaders. There was a reason our founding fathers did not include a right to vote in a federal election – including voting for our president – in the constitution. They didn’t trust mobs. They didn’t want to see the “mindless whims of the masses” translated into law. They were right … but to no avail. Now the masses are taking their ignorance to the polls. We live in a country where over half of the people get some kind of a check from the government every month without working for it … and they vote. Now you tell me how we’re supposed to survive that."



Neal Boortz from "In the end ... it's the idiot voters destroying the country "

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Speak for yourself! I'm hip. I'm with it. Dakadakadakadakadakadaka.

Anybody? Anybody?

I think we'll need to do a bit of bar-hopping pre and post to show Dag what we gots. There's also the option of footy... Fark, I just had a horrible feeling that we had planned it on AFL Grand Final weekend. No worries, that's on Oct 1st. So no footy.

>> ^DuoJet:

That's a legal move?


YEAH! AFL is fucking insane. I can't believe what's considered THE WAY to do things. If any American athlete played this game they'd start fights immediately just by getting pissed they got shoved around a bit.

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Okay, so the AFL-CIO chief talks to somebody in the Whitehouse everyday, BUT the president doesn't talk to any of those people anyway? How does the second assertion do anything but weaken the first? Or are these just unrelated jabs at the president and the vid editor just couldn't do the math to realize that they counteract each other?

When? Right now. They aren't complaining about pay. The teachers are even agreeing to increase their contributions to their health benefits and pension plans, but the state also wants to take away their right to collective bargaining.

Rain and snow moved most protesters at the Wisconsin State Capitol indoors Sunday as rallies continued against a plan that would strip public workers of union bargaining rights.

Republican Gov. Scott Walker calls his plan politically bold, but says he's only asking for modest contributions from public workers on health care and pension benefits. Union leaders said this week they were willing to make those concessions to help balance Wisconsin's budget, but state AFL-CIO President Phil Neuenfeldt told a crowd in the Capitol rotunda that taking away bargaining rights is a step too far.

Because the teachers are contributing more to health care and pension costs, it is costing them money. That, in effect, is a pay cut. Yet they agreed to this anyway. But that's not enough for the Republican governor and the Republican-controlled legislature. They want to strip the teachers of their collective bargaining rights, thus making them even more vulnerable to future pay cuts. It's not enough to fuck the teachers now, but also to be able to fuck them down the road too. >> ^blankfist:

When are we going to see a time when public workers and unions aren't complaining about the pay? I don't get paid enough either. Shit.

Imagine how hard it was for Fox News to make this mass of dips look like people.

I expect they learned how to do it from CNN, MSNBC, CBS, & ABC by witnessing how they whitewashed out all the kooks from the Iraq War protests. I remember all too well how the news media was all fired up to make Cindy Sheehan look like a normal person. But it was awfully hard when every time she opened her big mouth she proved conclusively that she was absolutely, 100%, fling-her-own-poo, batcrap insane.

As to people voting for him now leaving. They need to wake up and realize the mans not a god. He wasn't gonna change the country into butterflies and rainbows with a snap of his fingers and an Alakazam.

Uh - Obama is plummeting in the polls with independants, moderates, and other 'normal' voters NOT because he isn't acting fast enough. The reason Obama has lost main street is because he was elected by people who THOUGH he was going to be a restrained, moderate, non-partisan president. But his first 9 months have shown Obama to be pretty dang close to exactly what the 'kook right' said he was... A tax & spend, big government, socialist leaning radical. That's not what America wants.

They don't want his stupid carbon tax scheme. They don't want his stupid nationalization of car companies, financial companies, and everything else he wants to take over to 'keep us safe'. They don't want his stupid attempt to re-make the AFL-CIO. They don't want his stupid plan to socialize the health care industry. Every time Obama opens his mouth he proposes yet another big government, radically leftist federal boondoggle. Obama has increased our deficit by over a trillion dollars, and he still wants to implement even MORE massive government spending. The people have had it, and that's what this protest was about.

If Obama wants to go down in history as the most popular president of all time, then he needs to scrap Cap & Trade, scrap Obamacare, scrap his union garbage, and stop trying to push big government. If he would just do that and balance the budget & pay down the deficit then he'd be popular. But he doesn't want to DO that because he's a prisoner of his leftist radical philosophy.

Lower taxes. Smaller government. Balanced budget. That's what the people want. Obama is focusing on all the wrong crap and he's paying for it in the polls.