Obama's gonna need a Pope mobile

The car looks better if you ask me. Who doesn't want the word "OBAMA" spray painted on the side of their car? Imagine how pissed you'd be if that said "MCCAIN". Lemons into lemonade, dude.

Insane.

The acts of a few does not reflect the views of the many.

You wouldn't have heard about this if it didn't have OBAMA sprayed on the side. It's simply an act of vandals not political revolutionaries.

I'm not even sure that says Obama... it may say Osama, or Okama, but it looks like broken English.

Did you know that the founder of the Daily KOS is a considered a veteran of the first gulf war, but is did not deploy.

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?articleId=11410

>> ^Farhad2000:
The acts of a few does not reflect the views of the many.
You wouldn't have heard about this if it didn't have OBAMA sprayed on the side. It's simply an act of vandals not political revolutionaries.


Then why go to all the trouble to tear the Obama '08 bumper sticker off the back yet leave the others alone? I'll agree that it's simply an act of vandals, but they seem to be politically motivated vandals.

Well, we're trying something new. A black dude with a Muslim name and an unconventional background, who constantly talks about making big changes, is close to being the President at an extremely rocky time.

Many folks here have a good idea of what he means by change and have taken the time to understand the man and his plans, but there is a minority that does not understand the man or his plans and are both scared and frustrated by this situation. That the other candidates are trying their best to pull a win based on these unsubstantiated fears does, in my opinion, make acts like this important and newsworthy.

I'm of the opinion that as long as there is no tolerance of these crimes we are going to be fine. When vandals can do this and, because of the substance of the act, others look away,... well then its a problem.

i guess some people don't like socialism?

How about this one?

http://www.citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200881020067

Or this?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-villa_park_signoct17,0,1501910.story

Farhad, thanks for trying to talk me down, but I think the point of the right-wing propaganda's hateful crap is going to make a lot of stupid, angry people get violent. They don't seem to quite be waiting to lose to start, even.

PS, I can't help but wonder if they picked to smash that car because on top of it having an Obama sticker, it was one of them librul hybrid civics.

>> ^imstellar28:
i guess some people don't like socialism?


Well, some people think they like it. But, they also don't like history too much.

I'm gonna send the ghost of Joseph McCarthy after your commie ass, NetRunner!

>> ^CaptainPlanet420:
>> ^imstellar28:
i guess some people don't like socialism?

Well, some people think they like it. But, they also don't like history too much.

That's right...let's view socialsim through a "black or white" filter. Because everything in the world can be simplified into 1 bit of binary.

Some years ago I rented a car while mine was being fixed. It was a bright red four door sedan. I don't remember the make.

When I came out of a local Outback Steakhouse and returned to the car in the parking lot, I found the words "Hot Boy" keyed on the car's trunk.

I guess I should have been flattered. However, I would have preferred not to have coughed up a $100 deductible.

>> ^rottenseed:
That's right...let's view socialsim through a "black or white" filter. Because everything in the world can be simplified into 1 bit of binary.


I don't like that tone of voice, man. You know who else uses sarcasm? Socialists.

>> ^rottenseed:
>> ^CaptainPlanet420:
>> ^imstellar28:
i guess some people don't like socialism?

Well, some people think they like it. But, they also don't like history too much.

That's right...let's view socialsim through a "black or white" filter. Because everything in the world can be simplified into 1 bit of binary.


You're right, life is all gray, including Obama, because he's a mix of black and white!

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

People laugh about it, but a civil war is not outside the realm of possibility.

I'm giving death threats to anyone voting for the Prohibition Party.

anything ironic about the majority-labeled "troll" having one of the few valid points in this thread?

if you don't believe in black and white and only believe in gray you must have never tried your hand at painting. for such a simplistic concept, a lot of smart people fail to understand it.

how can you label something gray without knowing what black and white is? if you know what black and white is, why would you ever choose something with black in it (making it gray) unless you didn't have a choice, or were evil (black)? morality (black and white, good and evil) is not about what you do, but what you choose to do. it only applies to the choices you willingly make, not the choices which are forced upon you. if you cannot willingly choose you can be neither immoral or moral (black or white, good or evil)

i don't condone the initiation of violence, and the people who vandalism this car are undoubtedly ignorant, but socialism is a disgusting monster which needs to be killed with fire.

>> ^imstellar28:
anything ironic about the majority-labeled "troll" having one of the few valid points in this thread?
if you don't believe in black and white and only believe in gray you must have never tried your hand at painting. for such a simplistic concept, a lot of smart people fail to understand it.
how can you label something gray without knowing what black and white is? if you know what black and white is, why would you ever choose something with black in it (making it gray) unless you didn't have a choice, or were evil (black)? morality (black and white, good and evil) is not about what you do, but what you choose to do. it only applies to the choices you willingly make, not the choices which are forced upon you. if you cannot willingly choose you can be neither immoral or moral (black or white, good or evil)

You missed my point, chesterfield...100% socialism is bad but pure capitalism can leave many fucked and without the basic needs and necessities all should have. So what I'm saying is..."calling socialism bad all the time, is oversimplifying things to a scale that's too black or white." That is...it's not a precise statement (as accuracy can be relative).

Who the fuck said Obama is a socialist? What stupid line of media driven bullshit is that. The GOP is so good at driving the narrative.

Obama is just a big free marketer as anyone else coming through Washington, so look for more free trade and capitalism. The only thing that's going to change is that he wants to reduce fucking debt. You know BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ONCE.

So in case you didn't hear, my car was vandalized during CANADA'S federal election - it happend two weeks ago. I forgive everyone who doesn't know about our election - it had one of Canada's lowest voter turnouts and was completely pointless (almost no change in who's in charge).

Everyone who supported my candidate's party was targetted - 30 cars in Toronto were attacked - we were identified by our lawns signs.

In addition to having "L's" CARVED into my paint, they CUT MY BRAKE LINES

They also went after our phone and cable lines and spray painted peoples' houses. Ironically many of my friend said, 'wow, this is like something I would expect in the US, not here."

I offer my sympathy to this poor guy for getting his car damaged. At least there was no risk of crashing his car into people/other stuff though.

The police are investigating what happened in Toronto. I was furious and shocked. And it cost me money too of course which is a GIANT friggin' pain. Hopefully the political party will pay me back the non-insurance-reimbursed portion of my costs. Fingers crossed.

>> ^dotdude:
Some years ago I rented a car while mine was being fixed. It was a bright red four door sedan. I don't remember the make.
When I came out of a local Outback Steakhouse and returned to the car in the parking lot, I found the words "Hot Boy" keyed on the car's trunk.
I guess I should have been flattered. However, I would have preferred not to have coughed up a $100 deductible.


Oh man, that sucks - you know my pain too then. Except my pain is 5x greater.

^rottenseed:
>> ^imstellar28:
You missed my point, chesterfield...100% socialism is bad but pure capitalism can leave many fucked and without the basic needs and necessities all should have. So what I'm saying is..."calling socialism bad all the time, is oversimplifying things to a scale that's too black or white." That is...it's not a precise statement (as accuracy can be relative).


I didn't miss anything, chief. you are arguing that black AND white are bad, and that we should always strive for some grey (read: black). what kind of argument is saying evil (black) is only bad some of the time or that white is bad unless it is mixed with black? is slavery only bad some of the time? how about murder? why do you think majority oppression (socialism) is ever good? why do you think mixing freedom with "moderate" oppression is better than freedom with no oppression?

what about charity is incompatible with individualism (capitalism)? nothing.
what about freedom is incompatible with collectivism (socialism, democracy)? everything.

you think that majority force is the only way to leave people non-f*cked and guarantee basic needs and necessities? what kind of sh*tty outlook do you have about humanity that you think nobody would help another person unless they are forced? if thats true, we deserve to go extinct.

...dude. totally missed the point. Black and white is just an analogy for a scale with no gradient.

Way to pick extreme examples to compare with a non-extreme issue. Come on, murder? Slavery? I mean if I wanted to be a dick, I would say murder is ok, if the person you murder raped your wife and kids. I could also say that under pure capitalism, most of us are slaves. Think about the ratio of those that are independently wealthy compared to those that must work to survive for all their life. But without getting into the "freedom is a state of mind" b.s., I'll leave it at that.

Don't make the assumption that socialism in ALL degrees is bad. We've discovered from thousands of years of progress that 100% of almost any social system is bad. You've gotta have "checks and balances". With a pure socialist state you have the loss of freedom. With pure capitalism you have the potential separation of socioeconomic classes. Greed has already shown to destroy most "pure" societal structures. Why not have regulations set in place to not allow exploitation, yet allow the good intentioned corporate and individual entity grow freely?

^rottenseed:


1. Black and white is just an analogy for a scale with no gradient.
Black and white are two labels given to two sides of the same coin. You were insinuating that socialism was "gray" and that is incorrect. A philosophy cannot be gray, it can only be black or white. A philosophy which advocates evil in even 0.0001% of situations is not gray, it is black.

2. I could say that I would say murder is ok, if the person you murder raped your wife and kids.
You can say that, but you'd be wrong. Murder is not the same as killing. Murder is always wrong, killing is not. If you killed a man in the middle of raping your wife/kids that would be self defense. If you killed him after the fact, that would be murder. You are not legally permitted to act as a judge, jury, and executioner.

3. I could also say that under pure capitalism, most of us are slaves. Think about the ratio of those that are independently wealthy compared to those that must work to survive for all their life.
Pure capitalism forbids one thing: the restriction of physical violence. Explain how that makes anyone a slave. over 3 billion people live on less than $1 a day. How much did you make last year? How long would that last you at a $1 a day. Are you suggesting you are a slave lord?

4. Don't make the assumption that socialism in ALL degrees is bad.
Don't make the assumption that socialism in any degree is good. Give me a single example where socialism (means AND ends) is good.

5. We've discovered from thousands of years of progress that 100% of almost any social system is bad. You've gotta have "checks and balances".
No, you've "discovered" that because you haven't read all the evidence.

6. With a pure socialist state you have the loss of freedom.
I agree, because with any socialist system you have a loss of freedom

7. With pure capitalism you have the potential separation of socioeconomic classes.
I agree, and this potential exists for all systems except the system where 100% of all salary is taken and dispensed equally to everyone--is this what you want? You haven't explained why economic classes are a bad thing. The gap between rich and poor is decidedly worse in socialistic systems--look at history

8. Greed has already shown to destroy most "pure" societal structures.
Wrong, when has a pure system every existed? Also, why is (lawful) greed bad and how does it destroy such systems? If you are talking about unlawful greed, what you really mean to say is "a high amount of unlawfulness has destroyed social systems" which I agree with.

9. Why not have regulations set in place to not allow exploitation, yet allow the good intentioned corporate and individual entity grow freely?
I agree. that is necessary in any system including capitalism. Capitalism is not anarchy so don't pretend it is, it has regulation just as any other system.


your batting .300, good enough to keep you in the majors but pretty bad for any real sport

>> ^rottenseed:
>> ^imstellar28:
anything ironic about the majority-labeled "troll" having one of the few valid points in this thread?
if you don't believe in black and white and only believe in gray you must have never tried your hand at painting. for such a simplistic concept, a lot of smart people fail to understand it.
how can you label something gray without knowing what black and white is? if you know what black and white is, why would you ever choose something with black in it (making it gray) unless you didn't have a choice, or were evil (black)? morality (black and white, good and evil) is not about what you do, but what you choose to do. it only applies to the choices you willingly make, not the choices which are forced upon you. if you cannot willingly choose you can be neither immoral or moral (black or white, good or evil)

You missed my point, chesterfield...100% socialism is bad but pure capitalism can leave many fucked and without the basic needs and necessities all should have. So what I'm saying is..."calling socialism bad all the time, is oversimplifying things to a scale that's too black or white." That is...it's not a precise statement (as accuracy can be relative).


LOL capitalism is bad...wait a minute..welfare, right? sorry, i won't vote to take your foodstamps

My car was torched yesterday because I had a Ron Paul sticker on it. They caught the guy shortly after in the alley behind me. He had lighter fluid and matches on his person. He was angry at Ron Paul supporters because he felt they were stealing votes from Obama. That man's name was NetRunner.