sounds like you've witnessed this from first hand experience. how about taping it so the rest of us could see this extrodinary claim :-)

oh yeah, I see religious people being protested against "all the time"

so you voted down because why ?


In reply to this comment by gorgonheap:
I reminds me of the religious protesters in Salt Lake City who bring there 4 and 5 year olds to protest the LDS general conference. Don't see someone heckling them when they go to church.

what's your TF2 nickname. people are posting them so we can earn that achievement award for playing with friends (go to steam, then community)

Q

In reply to this comment by MarineGunrock:
I just picked up the orange box today. I've yet to play Episode one and two, but after that, I'm up for TF2!

good going on the gold ! damn that might have been one of the quickest golds yet. thanks for being an active member of the community.

I'm originally from the NE and totally forgot about that drink until I read your link. too funny. thx for the flashback. this was my favorite part

Moxie is the name of the first child of Penn Jillette (of Penn and Teller). Her full name is Moxie CrimeFighter Jillette. She is named both for the soft drink and for the meaning of the word: courage and aggressiveness; nerve.

Qruel

In reply to this comment by MarineGunrock:
He has Moxie? I don't see him drinking any soda...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moxie

thx for the upvote on young preacher #1

great find. not paying attention to our history will be one of our many downfalls

thanks for your post.

Q

In reply to this comment by Farhad2000:
James Fellows on Martin Luther King winning the Nobel in 1964, and its similarities to criticisms leveled at Al Gore by the right wing:

"The reaction was, of course, racial at its root. This was a majority-white, minority-Hispanic small town with very few black residents, which went for Barry Goldwater over Lyndon Johnson in the presidential election that same fall.

But the stated form of the objection concerned not King's race but his obnoxiousness as a man. He was a windbag. He was pompous and self-dramatizing, He was holier than thou. Plus, he had started getting involved where he didn't belong, in raising questions about the Vietnam War."

Mmm sound familiar?

excellent quote

In reply to this comment by jonny:
Neat-o-Rama link over there -->

"People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use."

- Søren Kierkegaard

if I had been able to take that out I would have, but the message prior is what I felt was of concern. I thought the ad was unfortunate and agree not needed, but downvote :-( ???

oh well

Qruel

In reply to this comment by jonny:
In case you're wondering, I downvoted for the bait-and-switch campaign ad.

damn it ! this is the second time this has happened. I even do a search first and then check the post before I hit submit.

WTF ?

damn good sift tho.

thx for the heads up

Q

In reply to this comment by jonny:
dupe: http://www.videosift.com/video/Bushs-Speech-Writer

*discard

funny comment. btw: could that be 5 abrahamic religions ?

lol

Q

In reply to this comment by bamdrew:
I'm with QM; a person should have to believe in and then leave at least five religions before they get to express atheist ideas.

Just like how we all have to eat at least five different kinds of shit before really knowing that swallowing any kind of shit is bad.

while your example was extreme, how about a little more grey to the arguement...such as.

should someone who is gay be descriminated against because they are gay ?

to most people in the christian religion that would be a yes. cause being gay is a sin (according to the bible)

while most chritistians will say somethign to the extent of, "the bible says _____ about homosexuality and that it's a sin"

they fail to acknowledge that their bible says A LOT of things are a sin. such as eating shellfish and wearing mixed garments. www.godhatesshrimp.com

now, should i "respect" a thiest's view to deny rights and use descrimination against gays (or african americans (slavery, being less than human just for being black ?...or how about women ? women are totally disenfranchised in the bible) because their 2,000 yr old book tells them to ?

christians try to force their versioon of morality on others because of their faith. I wonder how many laws christian lawmakers are trying to pass that force their bible based views of morality on others ?

some good reading for you

http://www.archetype-productions.com/nfo/religion/Why_Women_Need_Freedom_From_Religion.doc

http://www.archetype-productions.com/nfo/religion/The-Real-Ten-Commandments-carrier.doc

http://www.archetype-productions.com/nfo/religion/Mass-Killings-Ordered-by-God.doc







In reply to this comment by xxovercastxx:
I will say that I don't feel it's any more appropriate for me to impose my views on someone than for them to impose them upon me. I do not seek out religious people and tell them how foolish I feel their beliefs are. I will discuss my beliefs and I will debate them with others who are interested in debating.

The following should be obvious, but I think it's often overlooked: We all think our beliefs are the best choice, otherwise we would believe something else. Because of this conclusion, it's natural to want others to believe what you believe. However, I think it's best to not push your beliefs on anyone else who hasn't asked for them, with the possible exception of a case where that person's beliefs are hurting other people. Take the following (admittedly extreme) example:

If you believe homosexuality is a sin, that's fine with me. If you believe homosexuality is a sin and take it upon yourself to murder gays in the name of God, well now we have a problem. I think you're crazy either way, but you can be crazy as long as you're crazy and harmless.

So, no, I don't think an atheism assault is any more appropriate than a theistic attack no matter what volumes of evidence or logic are conveyed. I agree completely with detlev's post. Don't confuse public speaking or public statements from either side with an attack, though. Everyone should be allowed to vocalize their ideas in an appropriate venue and situation.

good post. for a knowledgable and respectful discussion of all things religion stop by the discussion forums on www.infidels.org

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/index.php

Qruel


In reply to this comment by xxovercastxx:
I'd like to skew from the topic slightly and say that I participate in discussions like these not for the sake of argument, but for the sake of debate. I don't expect to convert anyone, but I am interested in hearing how other people think and why they choose to act/live the way they do. The frustrating part is that these normally degrade into childish fights and it's pretty rare that I come away feeling I understand the faithful any better.

Since this particular conversation is already well on its way to becoming useless bickering, I feel no shame in saying that QM is a moron for bringing up Stalin and Mao Zedong again. First, mentioning 2 atheists that did a lot of evil shit says nothing about the validity of the bible or religion. Second, even if it did, citing 2 people out of the billions that have lived in the millenniums past (all six of them!) really doesn't carry much weight. If Stalin and Mao were Catholics/Jews/Presbyterians/Jehovah's Witnesses/etc, they would have been evil fucking Catholics/Jews/Presbyterians/Jehovah's Witnesses/etc. Faith does not prevent evil and atheism does not guarantee it.

There are evil, twisted religious people and there are moral, upstanding atheists. I happen to be one of the latter and I'm tired of being villainized by narrow-minded twits like you.

woah. thanks for the awesome list !

qruel

In reply to this comment by meow:
Here you go:
Drama King
Star Wars Kid
Numa Numa
Back Dorm Boys
Napster Bad
Winnebago Guy Mad
Bert is Evil^
Goatse (WIKI, not direct link)
Jib Jab
G.I. Joe
You're The Man Now Dog
Spongemonkies Like the Moon
Superbowl is Gay
Ask a Ninja
Average Homeboy
LonelyGirl^
House of Cosby
Chad Vader
Ze Frank^
Lazy Sunday
Kid from Brooklyn
Bubb Rubb
George Lucas in Love
Kramer
Myspace the Movie
Chuck Norris List^
Geriatric
Kiss You Guy^
Kubrick Audition
Leroy Jenkins
Homestar Runner
Grape Stomp Lady
Paris Hilton (Wiki)
All Your Base
Diet Coke and Mentos
OK Go
Shining Trailer Remix
Sneezing Baby Panda
Dick in a Box
Rocketboom Amanda
Yacht Rock
Sn
akes on a Plane / 2
Angry German Kid
Otters Holding Hands
Daxflame
Bride Cutting Hair
Colbert Disses President
Little Superstar Moves
Lightning Bolt LARPers
Kelly Likes Shoes
Tom Cruise Shocks Oprah
Weird Al - White and Nerdy
K-Fed Popozao
George Washington
Ashlee Simpson
Boom Goes the Dynamite
Lily Tomlin in a Fight
Peanut Butter Jelly Time
Christmas Lights
Shatner Sings Rocketman
Evolution of Dance
Chocolate Rain
Zombie Kid Likes Turtles

Appendix (not referenced in video):
Will it Blend^
Badger Badger Badger
Kenya
Gonads and Strife
Hamster Dance
And anything from Albino Blacksheep's popular flash videos.

no problem. I wish more of this info got out into the mainstream media. you gonna requeue the vid ? it's at 8 posts.

qruel

In reply to this comment by Fedquip:
Thanks for the info Qruel, I still have not seen the full length version of this doc, but I hope to soon.

ah, cool. thanks for the clairification

Qreul

In reply to this comment by marinara:
Well, the video showed a whole nation which lost its freedoom in months. (bam.) police state.

I just want everyone in the USA to be vigilant. When I say vigilant, I mean ready to reject fascist-corporate corporatism crap.

In reply to this comment by qruel:
i don't understand your comment. what were you trying to get across ? something ? meaning what ?

qruel

In reply to this comment by marinara:
we have to value the freedom we have. Value it enough to something or do something.