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newtboy (Member Profile)

Trancecoach says...

While the climate is complicated, the climate science is not. The U.S. winter temperatures plummeted from 1950 to 1979. The scientists reacted to this with a "global cooling" scare, as reported by Science News in 1975 (PDF). As such, NASA warned of a new ice age by the year 2020. Then, after 1979, temperatures got much warmer, so NASA's James Hansen began the global warming scare (PDF).

But after the year 2000, temperatures began to plummet again. So NASA and NOAA responded with the only sensible solution. They altered the data to eliminate the earlier warmth and the current cooling.

But that wasn't sufficient for keeping up with the cooling temperatures, so they renamed "global warming" as "climate change."

It is for these and other reasons that climate science undercuts its efforts with fraudulence.

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newtboy (Member Profile)

Trancecoach jokingly says...

Haha! Right. It's not that the progressives want more of the "bad" government, or the "corrupt" government, or the "inefficient" government, or the "prejudiced" government, or the "spying" government, or the government that "abuses its police or legal powers." No, they just want more of the "kind/just/fair/compassionate" government. Mmhm. See the difference?* Yeah, me neither.

*Well, the former is reality and the latter is pure fantasy. Ah, logic!

newtboy said:

You seem to have trouble understanding the nuanced difference between more/better governing and more government.

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Trancecoach says...

> "Sorry, once again you're completely wrong and making shit up."

No, you are wrong and making things up.

> "I never said any of that at all."

You never said any of what you wrote?

> "I challenge you to prove me wrong"

Yes, you are wrong.

> "D'OH!"

What's that all about? Homer Simpson or something?

> "I came back for more because you bold faced lied about me in a public
> thread"

Did not.

> "Why have you continued to come back for more time and time again after at
> least 3 times stating you were 'bored'"

Because you are entertaining. You do get boring here and there, true, but stuff like the "move to Somalia" that's entertaining.

> "you didn't read most of my posts"

I read some of your replies, even if I don't take them seriously.

> "'done with this thread'"

Did I say that? (to paraphrase that cop, if Obama can say we are out of Iraq and then come back, why can't I?)

> "(proving you a liar)"

No, you're the liar.

> "I think most of those following this thread have seen which of us is wrong,
> angry, and frustrated, and it ain't me buddy."

I don't know who is or isn't following the thread, and I don't really care or know if anyone following cares. You obviously do, attention seeker that you are.

> "I feel the need to ask, did you get a number of good temporary tattoos
> before you got that 'diploma'? (It sure is seeming more and more like you got
> it from a Cracker Jack box, your complete lack of reading comprehension
> makes it seem unlikely you could have 'earned' one)"

This is the kind of ridiculous statement that makes you "funny." Keep it up.

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Trancecoach says...

Videosift is clearly not the forum on which to teach economics (let alone philosophy or epistemology), but suffice it to say that logic applies to economics, just as it applies to geometry, and the other natural sciences.

Economics follows axiomatic-deduction. Human behavior is too complex to treat empirically (thereby precluding experiments that would be similar to, say, chemistry, which replicates the same results over and over again). With economics, such experiments are impossible because there are too many variables for which there are no controls, so therefore, a deductive approach is used, like with geometry which, if you recall, experiments aren't conducted in geometry, but logical deductions are made based on self-evident axioms.

This is in contrast to what, say, econometricians do. They try to make economics into an empirical science, like physics or chemistry and so they focus on the "science" and ignore the "social" in "social science."

Hermeneuticians/rhetorician on the other hand, ignore the "science" and focus on the "social."
Economics cannot be properly studied as a natural empirical science, but it also cannot be properly studied as rhetoric.

Deductive rationalism is the best fit for economic study.

ChaosEngine said:

"No one is talking about a comprehensive view of everything relating to the world. "

So why are you bringing it up?

We can discuss physics, math, engineering, logic, chemistry without human behaviour. Hell, we could even talk about accountancy.

But economics focuses on the interactions of economic agents and economies. True, some economic agents are perfectly rational and act according to predefined rules (these are essentially software), but almost all other economic agents have a degree of human control to them.

Even if the degree is relatively small (a single person on a board), economies are inherently chaotic systems and a small variance in inputs can radically change the outputs of the system.

The system is essentially stable, but unpredictable.

The ultimate refutation of your theory is quite simple.

If economic systems are inherently rational, we should be able to perfectly model them and predict them. That is clearly not the case.

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Trancecoach says...

No one is talking about a comprehensive view of everything relating to the world. But with economics, like geometry, and the other natural sciences for that matter, yes, they follow logic and rationalism. Rational theories are necessary to make sense of the data.


That you seem to understand nothing about it is a completely different issue.

ChaosEngine said:

Geometry and economics are not in any way comparable.

Geometry worked before humans evolved and will continue to work long after we're going. It has no need of human input.

Economics, on the other hand, is entirely dependent on human behaviours. Rationality might be a factor, but you would have to be willfully ignorant of history to argue that human behaviour is always rational.

Economics is not a science, and it's certainly not logical.

Honestly, you could not have picked a worse comparison. Imagine if Pythagoras' Theorem was "the square of the hypotenuse is mostly, kinda equal to the sum of the squares of the other two sides"? Or "the sum of the angles in a triangle is 180 (except on rainy days)"?

Tim Harford: What Prison Camps Can Teach You About Economy

Tim Harford: What Prison Camps Can Teach You About Economy

Trancecoach says...

Economics is not a matter of faith. It's a matter of rationality. Logic. The laws of geometry do not change on the basis of one's interpretation. Same is true in economics. As such, one can apply this logic in the absence of any particular belief system. I cite Mises' book because it lays out, in a clear and understandable way, why this is so. But you can read others on the topic (e.g., Hazlitt, Hayek, and Rothbard), as I am not attached to any sort of "fundamentalism" despite your attempts to depict me as such. But so long as you (or anyone) believes they're going to gain any understanding or insight or ability to parse the type of rhetoric demonstrated in this video, then the confusion and suffering that it propagates will continue. I assure you, nowhere in the text I linked (nor in any of the work of the authors I've cited) have addressed, specifically, the "babysitter economy" or the "prison camp economy," and yet, somehow I've pointed out the flaws in the postulated arguments here (flaws, I might add, you chose to ignore, opting instead to engage in a diatribe about me personally).

I could care less if you or anyone on videosift likes me as a person, but stupidity can be addressed with education. Willful ignorance, on other hand, cannot be helped.

enoch said:

@Trancecoach
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Tim Harford: What Prison Camps Can Teach You About Economy

Trancecoach says...

Haha!

If everyone's a babysitter, well, that's not a genuine division of labor, is it? And if money can only buy babysitting, well, that's not really money, is it?

And free markets don't work by agreeing through contract how much a currency will buy. If you restrict currency to one "babysitting" unit only, then, of course you'll have problems. You don't need to "print" more of these tokens. Deflation will invariably take place instead in an actual market, not in one where you have to contractually "centrally control" the value of each token.

And of course, a prison camp is not a free market. No entrepreneur can simply start supplying the goods and services needed.

The prison camp does not represent a "free economy," but only a prison camp economy.

I don't think either of those two examples are useful in any real way, but what exactly did you think you'd learn from them?

This isn't "how an economy works," but it's maybe how a non-divisible "currency" works in a one product/service "market;" or how a food embargo works.

P.S. If you really want to understand how economies work, you should read Mises' "Human Action" (PDF) and stop being lazy, thinking you'll learn something from these short youtube videos. (Once you hear Krugman mentioned, it's enough to know that everything that follows is about as rooted in reality as a kindergartner's fingerpaintings.)

This video's always worth revisiting...

enoch said:

sometimes the best explanations are the most simple.
that was excellent.



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