ahem, i think you need to read this

>> ^Lawdeedaw:

Actually, I have yet to blame wall street for the single collaspe of the economy. You must be confused. But then again, there are shiny objects nearby.
And where would we be without wall street you ask? Glad you did, although, I doubt you will ponder the answer any more than the time it takes me to flush a turd.
We would be just fine so long as GDP, trade and jobs are secure. Just fine indeed. We would have ups and downs, turn arounds and rebounds, but none caused by a few bad mistakes or intentional greed. It would not be, like you said I think, a utopia. Where did you get that silly statement from?
To think we need a select few people running the ups and downs of this nation's economy, to think that their gambles and that of the banks can tax the American people to death, and to think that one day wealth can be gained and lost in the trillions, that is insane. Now you see it, now its in the pocket of one or two people. I mean, 401Ks are just the irresponsibilty of people who invested in them. Must be socialism's fault, better, socialism security...
So, if the government crashes with federal debt, you will be saying, "What!? The government is the single collaspe of the economy? I mean, wall street was not responsible at all and no one entity can cause such mass economic devastation! Get over it!"
I will find that amusing.
>> ^thinker247:
There you go again, blaming Wall Street, as if they willingly destroyed the economy! Where do you think you'd be without Wall Street? Some utopia where businesses thrive just on supply and demand? I don't think so! There's always someone in the mix to mess with the machinery of progress. You just like to blame the current version for your problems. Try again.
>> ^Lawdeedaw:
>> ^thinker247:
Food Stamps, what a joke. I wish they'd quit taking my taxes and giving them to lazy ass poor people. If you want to eat, get a fucking job and quit living on welfare, deadbeats!

Or better, make people work for the stamps. Your way starves children out, because, after all, who will parents bum out on? Themselves? Nope, they will start with those that cannot protect themselves.
Even if a person collecting food stamps doesn't have children, it is still a good idea to offer them a "job" as you state. In this economy, caused by wall street greed that sucked the nation's wealth dry and Punished the middle class and poor alike, or in other words, imposed a Tax on the middle class and poor, it is the least their tax dollars could do to help out.
Oh, and unless you make like the top 95%, I would not complain... They pay the bulk, not middle class people like me. Of course they cause the bulk of our resources to be used, so tis only fair.

Actually, I have yet to blame wall street for the single collaspe of the economy. You must be confused. But then again, there are shiny objects nearby.

And where would we be without wall street you ask? Glad you did, although, I doubt you will ponder the answer any more than the time it takes me to flush a turd.

We would be just fine so long as GDP, trade and jobs are secure. Just fine indeed. We would have ups and downs, turn arounds and rebounds, but none caused by a few bad mistakes or intentional greed. It would not be, like you said I think, a utopia. Where did you get that silly statement from?

To think we need a select few people running the ups and downs of this nation's economy, to think that their gambles and that of the banks can tax the American people to death, and to think that one day wealth can be gained and lost in the trillions, that is insane. Now you see it, now its in the pocket of one or two people. I mean, 401Ks are just the irresponsibilty of people who invested in them. Must be socialism's fault, better, socialism security...

So, if the government crashes with federal debt, you will be saying, "What!? The government is the single collaspe of the economy? I mean, wall street was not responsible at all and no one entity can cause such mass economic devastation! Get over it!"

I will find that amusing.

>> ^thinker247:
There you go again, blaming Wall Street, as if they willingly destroyed the economy! Where do you think you'd be without Wall Street? Some utopia where businesses thrive just on supply and demand? I don't think so! There's always someone in the mix to mess with the machinery of progress. You just like to blame the current version for your problems. Try again.
>> ^Lawdeedaw:
>> ^thinker247:
Food Stamps, what a joke. I wish they'd quit taking my taxes and giving them to lazy ass poor people. If you want to eat, get a fucking job and quit living on welfare, deadbeats!

Or better, make people work for the stamps. Your way starves children out, because, after all, who will parents bum out on? Themselves? Nope, they will start with those that cannot protect themselves.
Even if a person collecting food stamps doesn't have children, it is still a good idea to offer them a "job" as you state. In this economy, caused by wall street greed that sucked the nation's wealth dry and Punished the middle class and poor alike, or in other words, imposed a Tax on the middle class and poor, it is the least their tax dollars could do to help out.
Oh, and unless you make like the top 95%, I would not complain... They pay the bulk, not middle class people like me. Of course they cause the bulk of our resources to be used, so tis only fair.

There you go again, blaming Wall Street, as if they willingly destroyed the economy! Where do you think you'd be without Wall Street? Some utopia where businesses thrive just on supply and demand? I don't think so! There's always someone in the mix to mess with the machinery of progress. You just like to blame the current version for your problems. Try again.
>> ^Lawdeedaw:

>> ^thinker247:
Food Stamps, what a joke. I wish they'd quit taking my taxes and giving them to lazy ass poor people. If you want to eat, get a fucking job and quit living on welfare, deadbeats!

Or better, make people work for the stamps. Your way starves children out, because, after all, who will parents bum out on? Themselves? Nope, they will start with those that cannot protect themselves.
Even if a person collecting food stamps doesn't have children, it is still a good idea to offer them a "job" as you state. In this economy, caused by wall street greed that sucked the nation's wealth dry and Punished the middle class and poor alike, or in other words, imposed a Tax on the middle class and poor, it is the least their tax dollars could do to help out.
Oh, and unless you make like the top 95%, I would not complain... They pay the bulk, not middle class people like me. Of course they cause the bulk of our resources to be used, so tis only fair.

Heh, this showed up on the Sift just the next day after I started giving serious consideration to joining the O.T.O.

As it happens, it's the only serious initiatory order with a presence within three hundred miles, so far as I can find. And, having bought a copy of Crowley's Thoth Tarot years ago, I've finally begun seriously studying it. Beautiful artwork, profound symbolism.>> ^gwiz665:

Ultimately Crowley was as hypocritical as the religions he disliked though, creating his own based on Magick and weirdness. As usual the small cults are based on hedonism and sex, and while everyone likes that, it doesn't make for intellectual honesty. Magick isn't real.


Crowley repeatedly cautioned against ascribing objective reality to the phenomena experienced in the practice of magic. Which is why he phrased the first goal of magic in such a ridiculous fashion as "the Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel." It is absurd, precisely in order to remind seekers that ascribing objective reality to such theories is always absurd. He did all sorts of things like this. He asked followers, for instance, to align their rituals so that "East" in the books always faced his home--indirectly indicating that it was entirely arbitrary what direction one faces.

People who assiduously practice magick really do have visions; experience communication with demons, angels, and gods; experience mystic transport; and realize the integration of the self. The reality of the experience trumps, for Crowley, any "objective" claims.

>> ^enoch:

"do what thou whilt may it harm none" was a traditional pagan saying

Eh, not really. Most pagans prior to the rise of Christianity would have shuddered at the statement, aside from a handful of obscure philosophers. Certainly not Plato, Pythagoras, or any of the other pagan writers so often accorded great spiritual insight.

Though such formulations do begin to make an appearance whenever Paganism arises in post-Christian contexts.

>> ^berticus:

The waiters of the best eating-houses mock the whole world; they estimate every client at his proper value.
This I know certainly, because they always treat me with profound respect. Thus they have flattered me into praising them thus publicly.
Yet it is true; and they have this insight because they serve, and because they can have no personal interest in the affairs of those whom they serve.
An absolute monarch would be absolutely wise and good.
But no man is strong enough to have no interest. Therefore the best king would be Pure Chance.
It is Pure Chance that rules the Universe; therefore, and only therefore, life is good.


Would that I could evoke *Quality.

That is the Breaks.

Beautiful Berticus, well done.

>> ^gwiz665:

"Do What Thou Wilt" an antithesis to Christianity.
Calling that satanism, is making it part of Christianity, since satan only exists in that.


"do what thou whilt may it harm none" was a traditional pagan saying but you can find the same inferrence in almost every religion.
you are correct in the statement concerning satanism,by its very terminology it is..by definition..a christian subset meant to be..as you stated..antithesis.
crowley rose through the ranks of the golden dawn and felt constrained by them.he moved onto a weird amalgamation of enochian magicks and heavily influenced by the rituals of calling and divination found in the book of solomon.

i have read a few books on crowley and either he was brilliant or batshit insane..maybe a combination of both which is most likely.
but for you atheists out there who abhorr religious hypocrisy...crowley is your hero.
he gave the church fits..literally.