>> ^kymbos:

America, you have lost your mind.
Side note: Yogi, didn't you go on a whole 'bad people should die' speil here on the Sift not long ago? How do you feel about that kind of sentiment now?


I was more saying that telling someone to kill themselves should be fine...or saying that they should die should be fine. Look I'm against the death penalty in almost all cases...except those who machete little children while they sit at their desks in Kenya. Or say Adolf Eichmann and the like who murder jews by the millions not thinking much of it.

I honestly believe that I can draw a very easy to understand line between those who kill and those who murder in such a barbaric fashion that they can no longer consider themselves a part of the human race. And yes I'm not the "judge" and I'm not the one who gets to decide these things but I'm not saying that. I'm saying that people who are sick and disgusting to the point of murdering children in horrific ways completely unfeeling and unmoving in their resolve. I get to say to them "Kill yourself" or "Someone should fucking kill them" I'm taking that fucking right for myself.

For every article like this one there is one like this one...

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/ian-birrell-why-i-dont-believe-that-the-nhs-is-sacrosanct-1775088.html

I'll just post what I very brilliantly said in a different thread on this topic...

"Your primary error is that you assume simply because a government plan is in place, that it results in the problem being ‘solved’. I reject that. Just because everyone is covered under a government plan doesn’t mean they are CARED FOR. Public systems are rife with inefficiency, waste, graft, denied service, delays, and rationed care. The same systems that public health advocates claim are ‘fair’ pull money out of the economy, restrict economic freedom, and imprison the people in a bureaucratic net where their lives are budget items at the whim of an uncaring, unfeeling, incompetent, inefficient, and politically mercurial government.

The egregious logical fallacy neolibs make is that they assume because there are poor people, that there MUST be a government system in place to care for them. This OPINION (and that's all it is) is patently untrue. The needs of the poor are easily and efficiently managed at the state, municipal or PERSONAL level through private charitable contributions and volunteerism.

Public option advocates have elected to to address the needs of a small minority of poor people by putting EVERYONE (rich, poor, middle class) into a huge government system whether they need it or not. In the process they surrender thier freedoms and liberties to a massive government which historically has been shown to be unworthy of that trust."

The way you discuss things tells me a lot about you. You say some very interesting things that are typical of the standard neolib perspective. “Taxes are put to good use… Things are handled for us… Government should pay for basic necessities… How can you be against that, I really don’t get it.” These comments show very nicely the wide gap between neolibs and conservatives.

My medical care story shows how a conservative does things. I took money from my paycheck, saved it, and used my intelligence and industry to take care of a problem. A neolib prefers to take money from everyone’s paycheck, give it to the government, and assumes the government will handle any problems.

From your perspective, your method is more ‘fair’ because everyone is covered. I will now shock you silly by telling you how you are completely wrong. A government system is LESS fair, causes MORE suffering, and increases human injustice. How’s that for an opener?

Your primary error is that you assume simply because a government plan is in place, that it results in the problem being ‘solved’. I reject that. Just because everyone is covered under a government plan doesn’t mean they are CARED FOR. Public systems are rife with inefficiency, waste, graft, denied service, delays, and rationed care. For example…

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/ian-birrell-why-i-dont-believe-that-the-nhs-is-sacrosanct-1775088.html

http://freep.com/article/20090820/BUSINESS06/908200420/1319/

This system is causing distress, hurting people, and denying health care. The SAME SYSTEM you say is ‘fair’. It also pulls money out of the economy, restricts economic freedom, and imprisons the people in a bureaucratic net in which their very lives are budget items at the whims of an uncaring, unfeeling, politically mercurial government. This is the epitome of UNJUST and UNFAIR.

You recoil in horror at the thought that people have to (gasp!) PAY for health care. You pay for food, shelter, clothing, transportation and other necessities, right? Why should health care be an exception? Paying for things in a free market drives down prices, creates competition, and causes providers to improve their goods and services. Insurance plans in the US are more than affordable. It isn’t hard.

And like most neolibs – your most egregious logical fallacy is that you assume because there are poor people, that there MUST be a government system in place to care for them. In a word - bullcrap. The needs of the truly poor can easily be managed at a state and municipal level through private charitable contributions and volunteerism.

That’s how a conservative solves the problem of ‘the poor’. They work. They give money. They volunteer time. That’s our ‘system’. Just because our chosen system is different, doesn’t mean we don’t have one.

Your chosen method to address the needs of a small minority of poor people is to put EVERYONE (rich, poor, middle class) into a huge government system whether they need it or not. In the process you have no problem surrendering your freedoms and liberties to a massive government which historically has been shown both to be untrustworthy, abusive, inefficient, and incompetent.

Why are you against making personal contributions and volunteering as a means of helping the poor? “I don’t see how you can be against that. I really don’t get it.” SeewhutIdidthere?

Downvote for animal abuse!

Nah... actually that was pretty funny. Does that make me a callous and unfeeling kitty?

>> ^ponceleon:
Good.
Having seen those documentaries about the absolute waste that happens in Dubai I'm happy to see they got what was coming to them. More specifically, those stupid man-made islands and peninsulas that can be seen from space in the form of a world globe and those palm trees. Why... just why. With all the problems in the world it is just a symbol of waste, greed, and ultimately the unfeeling nature of those involved.
To think of what could have been done with the unimaginable amount of money that it took to make a barren row of excessively large houses in the form of a palm-tree that can only be appreciated from a plane. My only regret is that the assholes responsible for these black holes of expendable income are probably still rich enough that they will just have to give up burning money for fun.


I'm so glad dubai got slapped on the arse.

Good.

Having seen those documentaries about the absolute waste that happens in Dubai I'm happy to see they got what was coming to them. More specifically, those stupid man-made islands and peninsulas that can be seen from space in the form of a world globe and those palm trees. Why... just why. With all the problems in the world it is just a symbol of waste, greed, and ultimately the unfeeling nature of those involved.

To think of what could have been done with the unimaginable amount of money that it took to make a barren row of excessively large houses in the form of a palm-tree that can only be appreciated from a plane. My only regret is that the assholes responsible for these black holes of expendable income are probably still rich enough that they will just have to give up burning money for fun.

hmm...I hated stupid people, regardless of age, before the Internet age. I'm not quite sure what you're getting at, unless you somehow think that the Internet has brought out the worst in people because we're protected by becoming avatars on a screen. Faulty logic.

Imagine this poor woman, you say? Yeah, I feel terrible for someone who should keep her fucking mouth shut if she's so confused and mentally slow. She went to a forum, obviously littered with television cameras, and grabbed a microphone to convey her fear of an ARAB in the White House! Gee golly gosh, Batman! Not an ARAB! Because it would be so terrible if an ARAB was allowed in the White House! *clenches teeth and shakes uncontrollably*

If she's mentally lapsing, it isn't because she's old. It's because she's stupid. Bertrand Russell was almost 98 years old when he died, but his mind was a steel trap. Most likely because he USED IT. If he were alive, he'd probably tell that woman to shut up and sit down.

Also, by your logic we should ignore all the stupid things McCain has said, because he's only three years younger than that woman! Let's give him a break, too!

BULLSHIT.

>> ^bareboards:
>> ^thepinky:
She's 75 and they're sort of bullying her.

I love the internet for all the great things it has brought to our lives, including Obama being so close to the presidency. Wouldn't have happened without the internet.
I am dismayed by the internet when I read some of these ugly comments. The lack of empathy of a fellow human being that is often shown here is distressing to me.
Thepinky gets it -- she's old and confused. Imagine this poor woman. Just take a second and imagine what it might be like for her right now. She clearly doesn't understand the consequences of answering what she perceived to be a polite question -- what's your name. Gee, how do you spell that? She doesn't know that this might be going into millions of houses, filled with irate and unfeeling jackasses who think it is okay to harass a senior citizen.
So here she is, sitting at home, and I'm thinking she is getting inundate with hate mail and hate and pranky phone calls. I hope that I am wrong. SHE IS OLD AND CONFUSED. What do you think is going through her mind, what do you think she is feeling?
Oh yeah, I forgot. She's just a sack of skin to some of you. Not a person with feelings, and children and grandchildren.
She was ignorant enough to give her name. The shameful act is the posters, who put it out on the internet when they could have bleeped it out.
I fear they did a terrible thing to this old woman. A terrible thing.

>> ^thepinky:
She's 75 and they're sort of bullying her.


I love the internet for all the great things it has brought to our lives, including Obama being so close to the presidency. Wouldn't have happened without the internet.

I am dismayed by the internet when I read some of these ugly comments. The lack of empathy of a fellow human being that is often shown here is distressing to me.

Thepinky gets it -- she's old and confused. Imagine this poor woman. Just take a second and imagine what it might be like for her right now. She clearly doesn't understand the consequences of answering what she perceived to be a polite question -- what's your name. Gee, how do you spell that? She doesn't know that this might be going into millions of houses, filled with irate and unfeeling jackasses who think it is okay to harass a senior citizen.

So here she is, sitting at home, and I'm thinking she is getting inundate with hate mail and hate and pranky phone calls. I hope that I am wrong. SHE IS OLD AND CONFUSED. What do you think is going through her mind, what do you think she is feeling?

Oh yeah, I forgot. She's just a sack of skin to some of you. Not a person with feelings, and children and grandchildren.

She was ignorant enough to give her name. The shameful act is the posters, who put it out on the internet when they could have bleeped it out.

I fear they did a terrible thing to this old woman. A terrible thing.

As silly as this whole video was, she really was in some serious pain over causing the death of the bird. It begs the question though, would you have rather her been at the other end of the spectrum; completely cold and unfeeling? I personally think both are dangerous extremes.