And what exactly do you expect from desperate people surrounded by military boats? Especially knowing how Israeli forces act. I'm not an expert, but I can only assume that they were preparing for the worst and probably getting ready to resist the boarding. So I don't see the point of your argument.

>> ^Pprt:

>> ^moodonia:
Like I said earlier, I'd be interested to see Greta Berlin "foolishly flaunting... plans to smuggle ordnance and weapons into Gaza".
Also what has ancient history got to do with commandos raiding a ship? Apart from diverting the disscusion.
>> ^Pprt:
Strange that everyone is ignoring the first video I referenced, as if what they were chanting has no bearing...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3L7OV414Kk
They are chanting a traditional song about Muhamad's massacre on Khaibar, the Jewish settlement that he raided in 628~9. Ten thousand Jews were killed and Muhamad ordered the leader be tortured before he appropriated the widow. As a matter of course, he helped himself to the coffers.
Since Wikepedia is liked by the liberal persuasion, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khaybar
You can contest the translation if you wish, but please pay attention to a word the lady uses: Shahada.
Listen for the same words in these clips http://www.pmw.org.il/tv%20part1.html


It was on the radio.. afraid I can't find a copy online.
Do you think the Khaibar chant was just a little ditty to pass the time?

hmm. wrong button

In reply to this comment by Pprt:
>> ^moodonia:

Like I said earlier, I'd be interested to see Greta Berlin "foolishly flaunting... plans to smuggle ordnance and weapons into Gaza".
Also what has ancient history got to do with commandos raiding a ship? Apart from diverting the disscusion.
>> ^Pprt:
Strange that everyone is ignoring the first video I referenced, as if what they were chanting has no bearing...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3L7OV414Kk
They are chanting a traditional song about Muhamad's massacre on Khaibar, the Jewish settlement that he raided in 628~9. Ten thousand Jews were killed and Muhamad ordered the leader be tortured before he appropriated the widow. As a matter of course, he helped himself to the coffers.
Since Wikepedia is liked by the liberal persuasion, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khaybar
You can contest the translation if you wish, but please pay attention to a word the lady uses: Shahada.
Listen for the same words in these clips http://www.pmw.org.il/tv%20part1.html



It was on the radio.. afraid I can't find a copy online.

Do you think the Khaibar chant was just a little ditty to pass the time?

>> ^moodonia:

Like I said earlier, I'd be interested to see Greta Berlin "foolishly flaunting... plans to smuggle ordnance and weapons into Gaza".
Also what has ancient history got to do with commandos raiding a ship? Apart from diverting the disscusion.
>> ^Pprt:
Strange that everyone is ignoring the first video I referenced, as if what they were chanting has no bearing...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3L7OV414Kk
They are chanting a traditional song about Muhamad's massacre on Khaibar, the Jewish settlement that he raided in 628~9. Ten thousand Jews were killed and Muhamad ordered the leader be tortured before he appropriated the widow. As a matter of course, he helped himself to the coffers.
Since Wikepedia is liked by the liberal persuasion, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khaybar
You can contest the translation if you wish, but please pay attention to a word the lady uses: Shahada.
Listen for the same words in these clips http://www.pmw.org.il/tv%20part1.html



It was on the radio.. afraid I can't find a copy online.

Do you think the Khaibar chant was just a little ditty to pass the time?

Like I said earlier, I'd be interested to see Greta Berlin "foolishly flaunting... plans to smuggle ordnance and weapons into Gaza".

Also what has ancient history got to do with commandos raiding a ship? Apart from diverting the disscusion.

>> ^Pprt:

Strange that everyone is ignoring the first video I referenced, as if what they were chanting has no bearing...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3L7OV414Kk
They are chanting a traditional song about Muhamad's massacre on Khaibar, the Jewish settlement that he raided in 628~9. Ten thousand Jews were killed and Muhamad ordered the leader be tortured before he appropriated the widow. As a matter of course, he helped himself to the coffers.
Since Wikepedia is liked by the liberal persuasion, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khaybar
You can contest the translation if you wish, but please pay attention to a word the lady uses: Shahada.
Listen for the same words in these clips http://www.pmw.org.il/tv%20part1.html

>> ^Samaelsmith:

>> ^Pprt:
Strange that everyone is ignoring the first video I referenced, as if what they were chanting has no bearing...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3L7OV414Kk
They are chanting a traditional song about Muhamad's massacre on Khaibar, the Jewish settlement that he raided in 628~9. Ten thousand Jews were killed and Muhamad ordered the leader be tortured before he appropriated the widow. As a matter of course, he helped himself to the coffers.
Since Wikepedia is liked by the liberal persuasion, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khaybar
You can contest the translation if you wish, but please pay attention to a word the lady uses: Shahada.
Listen for the same words in these clips http://www.pmw.org.il/tv%20part1.html

I won't question the translation but I would like a clarification of what you think shahada means. All I can find is that it is a religious declaration saying basically "There is no god but God, and Mohammed is his messenger."


Correct. The Shahada is a declaration of Islamic faith. If you repeat it three times you're considered a Muslim.

Its meaning has been twisted to represent being the act of "martyrdom" (read suicide bombing) by hardline Islamists. I used the quotes because a martyr is someone who would lay down his/her life for a cause. A martyr doesn't intend to take someone else's life.

Someone who has done the Shahada in the latter sense is called a Shahid, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahid

Good on you for looking into it, Samaelsmith!

>> ^Pprt:

Strange that everyone is ignoring the first video I referenced, as if what they were chanting has no bearing...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3L7OV414Kk
They are chanting a traditional song about Muhamad's massacre on Khaibar, the Jewish settlement that he raided in 628~9. Ten thousand Jews were killed and Muhamad ordered the leader be tortured before he appropriated the widow. As a matter of course, he helped himself to the coffers.
Since Wikepedia is liked by the liberal persuasion, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khaybar
You can contest the translation if you wish, but please pay attention to a word the lady uses: Shahada.
Listen for the same words in these clips http://www.pmw.org.il/tv%20part1.html

I won't question the translation but I would like a clarification of what you think shahada means. All I can find is that it is a religious declaration saying basically "There is no god but God, and Mohammed is his messenger."

Strange that everyone is ignoring the first video I referenced, as if what they were chanting has no bearing...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3L7OV414Kk

They are chanting a traditional song about Muhamad's massacre on Khaibar, the Jewish settlement that he raided in 628~9. Ten thousand Jews were killed and Muhamad ordered the leader be tortured before he appropriated the widow. As a matter of course, he helped himself to the coffers.

Since Wikepedia is liked by the liberal persuasion, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khaybar

You can contest the translation if you wish, but please pay attention to a word the lady uses: Shahada.

Listen for the same words in these clips http://www.pmw.org.il/tv%20part1.html

One of my favorite Russian traditional songs, along with Black Eyes, Two Guitars, and Plain My Plain.

Hmm, let's try one of the more upbeat ones, with no particular point.

I've discovered that I have much more swagger and confidence when I speak English than when I'm in Danish. I'm not sure why, but that's what I've noticed.

Two years ago in the summer I put it to the test, when I was back at my home island of Bornholm. A friend of mine from Texas was over here as well, playing at some different bars over here in the summer. We were in the other part of the island at a bar there, when we got to talking with 3 girls and a guy, who was one of the girl's cousin. Now, my buddy only speaks English, so we were just speaking English to these guys too. After a while one of the girls asked me where I was from, since my buddy was from Texas, but I didn't want to say that "i'm from just around the corner 20 miles away from here", so I asked her and the rest to try to guess. Well, they started to guess different states in the US which was a pretty big ego-boost to my English abilities (hmm, or a lack of English skills on their part). Eventually I got them convinced that I was my buddys cousin from Mississippi (even though I talk with a Texan accent).

This deception went on for about a month, where every time we met them, we spoke English to them, and it got increasingly difficult as more people that knew me got involved. We got the whole bar, who basically all knew me, to play along, which I thought was hilarious.

We had a few drunken nights together, which were great, and at one point, when I was showing off on a guitar, they asked me to play a traditional song from Mississippi. That almost fucking nailed me, because I have no idea what music is played there (I thought about playing something about cotton picking, but I decided against it.. gotta love stereotypes). I avoided it by saying that I didn't really cared for the local music and played something else.

I never really exploited the situation, because I'm too much of a chickenshit, but in hindsight I feel pretty good about it (*bites hand*).

Eventually I was busted, when two of the girls came down to my side of the island for a local harbor party. No big scene or anything, it was just "uhm, hello.."

And they were never heard from again...

No point, just a sequence of events in my life.

Can anyone tell me what the guitar music in this is? Anyone notice that it's the intro to Spanish Caravan by The Doors? But I'm sure it's a traditional song or classical piece that they lifted. I'd be very excited to know what the original tune was if anyone knows.

^Jeremy1967, I think you know that it's a waste of time to talk in hypothetical scenarios. But if we are going to talk in hypotheticals, here's one for you, not too far off from yours. Let's say that the terrorists responsible for 9/11 came to you and told you their plan a week before the attacks. However, they also told you that if you told anyone at all, they would kill your entire family. One day before the attack, the US government finds out that you know the details, and they come to you for answers. You don't tell them because your family will be killed, so they resort to torture. Now, isn't it justified? If not, how can you explain to the relatives of the victims that your family is more important than theirs? If it is justified, how can we go about explaining to your family that what they did was for the good of others and therefore right? There is no moral high ground when you are arguing in favor of torture, and I hope my scenario helps you see what a crock of sh*t hypothetical situations are, because they bear no resemblance to actual situations. They are simply made up scenarios that we use to justify things that we cannot actually justify.

AULD LANG SYNE

Words adapated from a traditional song
by Rabbie Burns (1759-96)

Should auld acquaintance be forgot,
And never brought to mind?
Should auld acquaintance be forgot,
And auld lang syne?

CHORUS:
For auld lang syne, my dear,
For auld lang syne,
We'll tak a cup of kindness yet,
For auld lang syne!

And surely ye'll be your pint-stowp,
And surely I'll be mine,
And we'll tak a cup o kindness yet,
For auld lang syne!

We twa hae run about the braes,
And pou'd the gowans fine,
But we've wander'd monie a weary fit,
Sin auld lang syne.

We twa hae paidl'd in the burn
Frae morning sun till dine,
But seas between us braid hae roar'd
Sin auld lang syne.

And there's a hand my trusty fiere,
And gie's a hand o thine,
And we'll tak a right guid-willie waught,
For auld lang syne

Meanings

auld lang syne - times gone by
be - pay for
braes - hills
braid - broad
burn - stream
dine - dinner time
fiere - friend
fit - foot
gowans - daisies
guid-willie waught - goodwill drink
monie - many
morning sun - noon
paidl't - paddled
pint-stowp - pint tankard
pou'd - pulled
twa - two

Happy Hogmanay

An alternative–rock song written by Australian singer-songwriter Nick Cave for Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds's ninth album Murder Ballads (1996).

Cave was inspired to write "Where the Wild Roses Grow" after listening to the traditional song, "The Willow Garden", a tale of a man courting a woman and killing her while they are out together.