I can't sleep when I think about the times we're living in,
I can't sleep when I think about the future I was born into,
Outsiders dressed up like Sunday morning,
With no Berlin wall what the hell you gonna do.

(Chorus:)
It's a New Year,
I'm glad to be here
It's a fresh spring,
So let's sing.

In 2080
I'll surely be dead
So don't look ahead,
Never look ahead

It's a New Year,
I'm glad to be here
It's the first spring,
So let's sing.

And the moon shines bright
On the water tonight
So we won't drown
In the summer sound.

If you find me I'll be sitting by the water fountain,
Picket signs, letdowns, meltdown it's Monday morning
But it's alright, it's alright, it's alright, it's alright
It's alright,
Cause in no time, They'll be gone I guess I'll still be standing here.

(Chorus)

(Bridge:)
Yeah Yeah we can all grab at the chance and be handsome farmers,
Yeah you can have twenty one sons and be blood when they marry my daughters,
And the pain that we left at the station will stay in a jar behind us.
We can pickle the pain into blue ribbon winners at county contests.

(Chorus)

(Bridge)

Bananafone - there are many ways in which parents paint over the opinions/beliefs of a child, this is only different because we see it as a sensitive issue in adults.

Do we try to place ourselves in the position of a child raised as a fundaMENTAList christian, and consider what THEIR feelings might be? Let's be honest, we don't - certainly not in the way we do in cases like this. The parents of my hypothetical child just raise their child to the best standard they know of, they do what they consider their best by their child. If that child suddenly decided "Hey, religion is bogus, i don't want this anymore!" I highly doubt the parents will say "Ok, i'll get a babysitter for sunday mornings. You can stay home."

My point here is that people raise their children to what they consider their is in the child's best interest. The child doesn't get the option.

So, for me, the question should be "Is it wise to let a child dictate his own upbringing?" Because i'm sure if you start doing this for EVERY child (not just the children who walk a line along modern society's sensitive topics that will guarantee an outcry), then we'll end up having children dictating that every meal must be chocolate and cream with milkshake.

Don't mind me, i just find it interesting how people (as a whole) change their behaviour based on how "sensitive" the topic is supposed to be. If this was a child who decided they wanted to join a "in 5 years we all drink poison" cult, you'd be saying oh the mother should just over ride the silly child's whimsy. But because it's the buzz-topic of sexuality, everyone's pro choice for the evidently mature child. I'm not being facetious either, i genuinely find it interesting how easily we can draw a line and consider the same philosophy sensible and another thing insane just by hitting a sensitive topic. It doesn't have to be deadly poison either, it could be poison to make your arm fall off - i suppose that would be similarly life-changing as realising you'd made a mistake 10 years ago about wanting to be a woman.

Personally, i take the mother-of-rottenseed (rottenapple?) approach - i'm fine with a child of mine being whatever they want to be, but i certainly wouldn't raise with a direction/destination in mind until they were old enough to have a reasonable and intelligent input.

I put this blu-ray on last night at like 2:30AM. Now it's Sunday morning and I have a strong urge to put it back on and watch the final 2/3 of the movie.

Pure genius! I don't remember ever laughing that hard on a Sunday morning (and I'm an atheist)...

The Sunday morning lineup has been pretty lame lately, with people only bringing their average-everyday crazy to bear. This weekend we got a bit more than usual.

My personal favorite was Mary Matalin saying that Bush "inherited" 9/11.

>> ^videosiftbannedme:
Jesus died on the cross and rose 3 days later. Jack Bauer did it in less than 15 minutes...and he's done it twice.


Jesus died on Friday night, and rose on Sunday morning. That's not three days.

^ they never cut the screaming kids.
to me its only the sound of sunday morning at the family ward! its quite a shock when youre old enough to go to the singles ward. so silent....

braindonut:
i know you could use a cell phone or a super small camera, but i just cant imagine a true believing mormon desecrating their chapel like that. its a really big deal actually.

to dft's statement.
one of my very best friends is mormon. hes just now trying to go inactive, but before that he frequently criticized the church. like ive heard it from him every sunday for the last 4 years. even his returned missionary active and faithful brother has his critique. well ok, all the mormons i know with graduate degrees and a visa criticize the church. when i was active for a very brief confused stint, i frequently criticized and mocked the church. its rare. but it happens.

so that said, im technically mormon and can go to church anytime i want, if my friend whos fed up with the churches behavior decided to bare this kind of testimony, i would sneak a camera in film it and not feel any kind of spiritual damnation. but if i were caught my active children and parents and cousins and i (im not active but i do have to deal with mormons daily) would be socially ostracized and humilated. i would have second thoughts about putting that kind of grief on them. and active mormons are actively encouraged to limit socializing with non-members. and disdainful inactive members who are not directly related to them (but they are encouraged to bring them back into the fold). its just really hard for me to imagine anyone affiliated with the church bringing a camera in and secretly filming a testimony of all things. its a bigger deal than youd think.

Too bad about the nauseating intel commercial. Upvote for CBS Sunday Morning and Serena Altschul.

I have fond memories of watching The Littlest Hobo on Sunday mornings at home with my brother. It was always the first show on after children's TV finished, that and other classics like the A-Team. This is brilliant.

I welcome the day when I'm no longer woken on Sunday morning from my drunken stupor, ass early in the morning, by loud as hell gardeners!

Granted, I just promoted this and I understand this site has a very heavy atheist user base. Actually, it's the promoted, encouraged and abject hatred of anyone who is religious at all that has kept me away from here. I really don't argue religion, especially here. But I will just post my opinion on the content of this very short video since I happened by it. And I'm going to break it down as it happens.

The question in the beginning seems to be "Are you a religious man?" (when considering the wonders of nature etc). He answers "no". She then asks if it (again his experience with nature) has any philosophical meaning to him and he begins by telling her she hadn't asked him that. When, in fact, that's the question she's now actually asking. But he reveals that he has a particular problem with Christianity even though it was never specifically brought up. If the question is "How does your extensive background in observing nature impact your philosophical view of the world?" and the answer begins with "Well, I don't like Christianity". Then I think that's a problem. There's a skewed view coming from somewhere else that has nothing to do with the question being asked at all.

Then we go into this dramatically told story of the boy with a worm eating his eye. And he leans forward and thrusts this bullshit out trying to force it down her throat into meaning something. But it doesn't. I can tell you all sorts of stories. I know someone who was pushed in front of a subway train. Dead. There was one guy I walked passed in an alley that was being beaten to death with metal garbage cans. I personally have been shot at, electrocuted, stabbed, almost drowned under ice, poisoned, stitched up to the point where I was on a first name basis in the emergency room, fuck .. I should be a super hero .. or at least God's enemy number 1 .. but I don't think it works that way. Bad things happen to all kinds of people. It's a sad argument to say God doesn't exist because human suffering does.

In any event, this worm feeds on other things besides the human eye. Obviously. Or it would be extinct or we'd all be fucking blind. So this worm was not "made by God" to devour some child's eyeball. The same way HIV was not created by God to destroy the gays. It's nature. And someone like Attenborough should know that nature takes it's course without discrimination. It is VERY frustrating to hear him say "you believe it was created by God ... that God said "I will make a worm that can only live by eating/boring people's eyes". Even if you are a hardcore atheist this is utter shit.

He caps off his personal hatred of Christianity with "the Christian idea of a God who cares for each of us". And that the eyeball eating worm is incompatible with that. Well personally, I think his argument is already moot just from what I've said above but there is nothing ... regardless of whatever magic gumdrop land concept of Christianity that he has .. that says that people who follow the faith won't suffer.

If anything, everything about it tells you it is the path to more suffering.

In short, no chtierna. No, it wasn't Satan, it wasn't a punishment and no it wasn't some decree of God beyond our comprehension. The worm ate the eye the same way you eat the cow. Or the carrot if you're vegetarian. Or the way I eat my celery out of bloody mary most sunday mornings.

*promote - some beautiful music for your Sunday morning. I hope it's a good one.

yeah Hindley St in the Adelaide CBD, i'm guessing early saturday or sunday morning.

that's just how we roll down here in oz.

^ I think they'll use Gates himself on the Sunday morning programs. Sestak can take up the daily stuff.

ahhhh. >> ^yourhydra:
and hes cute too!


Yes. I dream of lounging around on sunday mornings as he whispers sweet stewisms to me.

I hope this guy finds this post, and the comments, and Id like to inform him i am a 44 year old, overweight man, quite hairy living off workers compo for a bung wrist I sustained in the contruction business 12 years ago. *scratch*