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5 quid says the game will be full of the same lame religious crap that ruined the last two seasons of the show. Spoiler alert: God did it.


Ya, that wouldn't of even been bad if they did it cleverly. I don't know how they were able to take killer robots that wipe out humanity, and turn them into such pussies. The first 2 seasons are legendary television, the third season starts out strong, but, to me, is the end of what made BSG great. From there, you go to episodic non-sense with no real since of overall story telling. I mean, the first 2 seasons had all sorts of neat religious interplay; was the 9 in his head an angel, what's the deal with the cylon faith, what's the deal with cobal and earth? They manage to drop the ball on nearly every question, and by drop the ball, I mean answer the question in such a trite way as to ruin all the tension built up over the course of years.

Ahhh rant over...I try and pretend that seasons 1-2 are the only ones that happened then the show got canceled. I am conformable with this state of denial.

The 'until every human is properly provided for' argument seems horribly complacent and copout-ish. I mean by definition, you're implying you're agreeing something has to be done about it, but then you're also putting yourself in a state of denial about it. Providing everyone in the world with livable conditions, and the same rights and freedom is not something most people are even remotely in a position to do, whereas starting a movement to boycott meat products that come from inhumane abattoirs would be a cinch in comparison.

Now given all that, I am a hypocrite.

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Aah, the old "he's attacking fundamentalism, and not real religion" - argument. Sounds like a reasonable objection. We can all agree that there are some real nuts out there, but that most religious people are completely decent , intelligent people who overall does more good than harm.

Fine. But what is a "fundamentalist"? why does the people who seem LESS picky about what their holy book says get to say that the people who actually follow them have misunderstood "real" religion?

How about the pope, he's the head of the single largest unified religious group on the planet, you'd think you couldnt get more "mainstream" than that. What he says literally DICTATES what Catholics around the world are supposed to believe in.

Like when they invented the "virgin mary assumption" or when they got the idea that new-born babies who die before someone baptizes them end up in "limbo" instead of heaven or hell, and when they decided that wasnt true anymore after all.(see wikipedia to see how much time has been wasted on that bullshit.)

Anyway, this perfectly educated, seemingly literate grown man went down to AIDS-ridden parts of Africa and declared that condoms could actually make the AIDS problem WORSE. Now, not only is this most powerful relgious authority on earth as wrong and insane and in a state of denial worse than the most eager Young earth Creationist fundamentalist looney, but he is literally, and what MUST be atleast partially on purpose, committing MASS MURDER of thousands of men women and children. Children will be born with HIV for hundreds of years, partially thanks to this fucking asshole.

So my question is this: Is the Pope a fundamentalist? or does he just lapse into fundamentalism whenever he says something remarkably stupid and insane(surprisingly often, as it happens) ?

When the non-fundamentalists DO take something literally from the bible, like "do unto others", aren't they, well, "taking it too literally"? if not, why not? Aren't "The words of Jesus" among moderates surprisingly close to everybodies personal opinions?

When does something become fundamentalism?, when its in bad taste for the moderates, or when its just insane? When its taken too directly out of the bible without the whole "civilized society filter" attached to it? What does this really tell us about scripture?

To a moderate, it seems, a religious person is closer to "true religion" the less he or she actually believes what their holy books says..

Here's an idea: Fundamentalism, like most other things religious, is made up. Made up by people desperately trying to cling to ritual, superstition and dogma and still fit into modern society, and when they see people actually insane enough to FOLLOW scripture, they need to tell themselves that thats not them, thats just the fundamentalists, you see.

I don't find the reactions surprising either. This state of denial is common, and I have been in similar situations myself. Sometimes, however, repeated bashings of evidence can help.

Get this straight.. Scientology is NOT a church. It is a cult for the purpose of enriching those at the top. It is a religious pyramid scheme preying upon the vulnerable. It was founded by a convicted scam artist, and it is run at the highest levels by scam artists.

All cults threaten their members with dogma. A threat of eternal damnation/separation/suffering/exclusion. This fear keeps their membership 'in order', and helps ensure the continuation and survival of the cult as a whole. As a result, individual members may be sacrificed without heed for the individual.. all for the sake of maintaining the 'whole' in a state of denial.

Whether Scientology, Christianity, or the Muslim religions, it is this core 'fear' of being ostracized, excluded, or even killed for separation from the so-called cult 'entity' that they all ultimately share.

People want to believe in a more meaningful universe beyond themselves. Though rather than take the meaning to where it matters... the bettering of the world and humankind as a whole, their energies become focused on bettering their cult, fostering outlandish and impossible fairy tales, and spreading the ignorance breeding virus for which their cult is.

gah!!! learn what a scientific theory is, please!!! read the good post above. learn it! creationism should be thaught in school when it has gone through every step that real science has to before it is acknowledge (which it cant). sigh. america in 2007, believing this? you had people on the moon in the last millenium!! stay ahead as the coolest science country on the planet isntead of stepping way back into a religious infused state of denial and misguided fundamentalism.

My favorites in a trove of qm 'truths':

"We know he's been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." –Vice President Dick Cheney, "Meet The Press" March 16, 2003

"I don't know anybody that I can think of who has contended that the Iraqis had nuclear weapons." –Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, June 24, 2003 DoD press briefing

State of Denial.

I am sure that the Oxycontin pig, Rush Limbaugh, has some wit or wisdom that substantiates nukes in Iraq, though. Maybe Clinton took WMD from Iraq and hid them in Egypt in 2002.