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shatterdrose says...

I'd suggest you do some research on "properly cleared" gun shootings. The whole reason people get shot with a "properly cleared" firearm is because humans make mistakes. Also, the use of quotations is to illustrate a point, which I apparently need to spell out. People get shot when they THINK the gun is cleared. I've sat there and asked 30 people in a room, most familiar with cleaning and the whole 9 yards, and not a single one of them saw the bullet in the barrel. Every single person said the gun was clear, and was completely safe. Now, repeat that several times a week and the numbers really add up.

There have also been cases off firearms discharging on their own. I believe Colt was being sued due to the number of rifles that were discharging without a trigger pull. People died.

Now, if you truly believe a firearm was invented for sport, you have seriously deluded yourself. A firearm is NOT intended for sport. A sporting rifle, yes. They're usually a 22cal, well, sporting rifle/pistol. They look a little funnier, they don't have high capacity magazines, and they fire a small bullet.

However, if you truly truly deep down in your gun loving heart believe an AR-15 was invented for sport . . . well, there's nothing anyone can ever say to make you see reason. If you truly believe hallow point bullets were made for sport, then we live in a very strange world. If you truly believe a recoiless machine gun that fires 30 rounds per minute was made for sport, then the military needs to step up it's game. They really should be using weapons designed to kill their enemy, not shoot little paper targets at a gun range.

I hear napalm was really invented to cure toe fungus, not kill large swaths of enemy soldiers. Swords were made to butter bread. Tanks were made for picking up groceries.

BTW, historical fun fact, black powder is one of the few items originally designed for recreation that was later used for war (Chinese fireworks.) Things like forks, scissors etc were originally designed to kill people, until later other uses were discovered. Like rockets. Our government didn't care that people wanted to go to space, they wanted a rocket that COULD make it to space, but half way there would make a sudden turn and go kaboom. So I guess rockets are 50/50. Guns, well, you're just in fantasy land there.

harlequinn said:

Nobody has ever been shot with a properly cleared firearm. Lots of people have been shot with an improperly cleared firearm. That's the point of saying "properly cleared" versus "improperly/badly cleared". One makes it safe, the other doesn't.

The point isn't that a cleared firearm is useless - the point is that a firearm can be rendered safe. All firearms can and must be made unsafe by loading a round in them to be able to shoot with them.

A firearm is not designed to "solely kill humans". It is designed to accelerate a projectile. It's purpose of use is mainly for sports (see the list I posted above). Yes, it is also used for killing animals (people are animals) but that is no longer its primary use. There is a definitive difference between design and purpose of use. Go look it up if you're interested.

Bill O'Reilly and Rep. Jason Chaffetz in Epic Gun Rights Blo

gwiz665 says...

Actually, it is.

http://videosift.com/video/Assault-Rifle-vs-Sporting-Rifle

Assult rifle is fully automatic, a "sporting rifle" is semi automatic.

criticalthud said:

machine guns are classified differently that assault rifles. just sayin. it appears that it is pretty difficult to own a machine gun.
a machine gun is fully auto, large capacity.
submachine gun - same, but shoots pistol bullets.
a quick glance through the web indicates:

to own a machine gun in the states, generally:
1. You must live in a State that will allow you to own a machine gun.
2. You must pass the backgound check.
3. You must find a pre-1986 machine gun and an owner willing to part with it.
4. You must pay the asking price: $5,000 to $50,000.
5. $200. tax.
6. you MUST have an endorsement letter from the local Chief-of-Police or County Sheriff saying that it is 'okay' for you to own a machine gun.

i'm not bothering to verify this info. i'm not a gun nut. but that's what's out there. at least start to get the language correct. an assault rifle IS NOT classified as a "machine gun".

Assault Rifle vs. Sporting Rifle

Police officer deals with open carry activist

Buck says...

Did you even read my post? I specifically mention that I am from Canada and that the US is different. Second I have my PALR and know quite a lot about our gun laws here in Canada.

Cool story tho

EDIT: I realized I cut the "Canada vs US" out of my abbreviated post here, so I can see what you mean.

>> ^Shepppard:

@Buck
DO NOT drag Canadian gun ownership into your thought process. Your entire post is invalidated if you refer to Canadian gun ownership the way you do American gun ownership.
Buying a gun in most of (if not all) of the U.S. is basically passing a 3-15 day background check. If you don't have a felony, history of mental health problems, or even some larger misdemeanors, you get your gun.
Canadians need to first off pass a safety course (C.anadian F.irearms S.afety C.ourse) then mail away an application for gun ownership. If you're granted the PAL (Possession and Acquisition License) you can then go out and buy sporting rifles, shotguns and airguns with an overall length of 660mm or greater. (Air rifles that are capable of a muzzle velocity of over 500 feet per second require the license.)
Handguns, and anything fully automatic are still prohibited.
If you want a handgun, you can take a CRFSC (R for Restricted) test and pass it, and then you're allowed to own and use Handguns. Fully automatic weapons, however, are still prohibited.
TL;DR:
Canadians have to jump through hoops and actually pass safety courses and tests before even being allowed to mail off your application and be considered for gun ownership.
Americans have to not be crazy, not have been in jail, and be able to wait up to two weeks.
Comparing gun ownership between the two is NOT valid.

Police officer deals with open carry activist

Shepppard says...

@Buck

DO NOT drag Canadian gun ownership into your thought process. Your entire post is invalidated if you refer to Canadian gun ownership the way you do American gun ownership.

Buying a gun in most of (if not all) of the U.S. is basically passing a 3-15 day background check. If you don't have a felony, history of mental health problems, or even some larger misdemeanors, you get your gun.

Canadians need to first off pass a safety course (C.anadian F.irearms S.afety C.ourse) then mail away an application for gun ownership. If you're granted the PAL (Possession and Acquisition License) you can then go out and buy sporting rifles, shotguns and airguns with an overall length of 660mm or greater. (Air rifles that are capable of a muzzle velocity of over 500 feet per second require the license.)

Handguns, and anything fully automatic are still prohibited.

If you want a handgun, you can take a CRFSC (R for Restricted) test and pass it, and then you're allowed to own and use Handguns. Fully automatic weapons, however, are still prohibited.

TL;DR:

Canadians have to jump through hoops and actually pass safety courses and tests before even being allowed to mail off your application and be considered for gun ownership.

Americans have to not be crazy, not have been in jail, and be able to wait up to two weeks.

Comparing gun ownership between the two is NOT valid.

Officer Leroy Pyle on Assault/Military weapons

choggie says...

Any future bans of weapons in the U.S. will more than likely follow some tragic event perpetrated by a single, damaged individual-
The Brady Bill was fast-tracked, after just such a convenient event.

A more reasonable approach to disarming a nation would be to place prohibitions on the availability of ammunition.

It is a dead certainty, that the media in the U.S., being the uninformed, uneducated, easily manipulated and agenda-oriented bobble-head tools of their owners that they are, will be instrumental in the dis-arming of the Nation, though it will take some catastrophe, natural or engineered to do so....

synchron, in the U.S., an individual may purchase from another individual, any of the guns on the banned list-they can not be marketed through the manufacturer or retailers-
The only 4 guns I will ever need, are all still legal-
Colt 1911 45
Marlin 45/70 Guide Gun
12-gauge (take yer pick, several semi-autos worth while)
and the fun gun
the 1927 A-1 Deluxe Thompson Lightweight (only semi-autos are legal, the fully-auto Thompson is on the banned list)

The only other gun that one would need would be a long-range sniper rifle, and the one that a proficient user could strike the most fear into a would-be assailant that I would have, is this one-SHARPS ARMS MODEL 1874 HARTFORD SPORTING RIFLE-(same calibre as the Marlin...the gun Quigley used)

All for shock and awe and the continued availability of the ammunition used, the shotgun shell,the 45 acp, and the 45/70, may never be banned-and even if they are, they are the only thing worth reloading.

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