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>> ^gwiz665:

@<a rel="nofollow" href="http://videosift.com/member/kasinator" title="member since September 10th, 2009" class="profilelink">kasinator Discuss what? You shouldn't just call discuss out of the blue.. what's the reason?


>> ^BoneRemake:

yea, why did I get called here to discuss something I have seen on the sift before.


sorry i was recently promoted, and tested the discuss button. any way I can undo it?

Dude how far away do you think the pitch is from the stands? We're not talking a dramatic distance here...some players have already expressed their opinions, you don't need to speculate.

There are two things people should keep in mind:

1. It is NOT South Africa's *WORLD* Cup. They are hosts. It is a position you apply for against many other countries and you win the privilege to host. The responsibility comes with some conditions like meeting official standards for stadiums etc, which the host nation is ENTIRELY in charge of and accept BEFORE applying, these aren't snuck up on you, in fact you need to show that you can provide all these things before you're even considered.

2. People seem to be missing the response of South Africa. Look at how they're responding to criticism, how they're ignoring it completely, how they're showing they can be just as arrogant as "European" countries and how it's presenting a clear picture of how they'll treat the World Cup and other events in the future.

This is more than the vuvuzela, take in the whole attitude of South Africa in the host role. To me it's just not showing a positive picture, I don't really care how they want to host the event, it will be a blimp in the radar soon enough. I'm more concerned with what it's doing to African football reputation which is already having enough trouble with political corruption and ego players, it does not need "terrible hosts" on top of it and I sincerely hope the perception changes.

>> ^Tymbrwulf:

>> ^mizila:
>> ^Tymbrwulf:
I think everyone is getting their panties in a bunch for no reason. In my eyes, use the vuvuzela if you want, whatever.

Great argument. So if I just start following you around blowing a whistle in your face as loud as I can non-stop, your reaction is going to be, "that's cool, use a whistle if you want, whatever."?? No, I imagine your panties would be mighty bunched, sir.
Anyone who doesn't see what's wrong with this thing is either (A) Dumb... err I mean deaf, (B) South African, (C) Not a soccer fan, or (D) Trollin.

Are they following the players blowing it in their ear? Is it a different decibel level when hearing it in the stands when you're on the field? I imagine my response would be to walk away from the Vuvuzela player.
Also, good job on the inflammatory comment on calling anyone who see's anything wrong with this an idiot. I AM a football(soccer) fan, I'm NOT trollin', and quite frankly I couldn't care less about the Vuvuzela.

>> ^mizila:

>> ^Tymbrwulf:
I think everyone is getting their panties in a bunch for no reason. In my eyes, use the vuvuzela if you want, whatever.

Great argument. So if I just start following you around blowing a whistle in your face as loud as I can non-stop, your reaction is going to be, "that's cool, use a whistle if you want, whatever."?? No, I imagine your panties would be mighty bunched, sir.
Anyone who doesn't see what's wrong with this thing is either (A) Dumb... err I mean deaf, (B) South African, (C) Not a soccer fan, or (D) Trollin.


Are they following the players blowing it in their ear? Is it a different decibel level when hearing it in the stands when you're on the field? I imagine my response would be to walk away from the Vuvuzela player.

Also, good job on the inflammatory comment on calling anyone who see's anything wrong with this an idiot. I AM a football(soccer) fan, I'm NOT trollin', and quite frankly I couldn't care less about the Vuvuzela.

>> ^Tymbrwulf:

I think everyone is getting their panties in a bunch for no reason. In my eyes, use the vuvuzela if you want, whatever.


Great argument. So if I just start following you around blowing a whistle in your face as loud as I can non-stop, your reaction is going to be, "that's cool, use a whistle if you want, whatever."?? No, I imagine your panties would be mighty bunched, sir.

Anyone who doesn't see what's wrong with this thing is either (A) Dumb... err I mean deaf, (B) South African, (C) Not a soccer fan, or (D) Trollin.

>> ^yellowc:

First of all, you HOST the World Cup, it is a privilege countries FIGHT for. You host this for an estimated viewership of 2 BILLION PEOPLE, almost 1/3rd of the WORLD'S POPULATION. When you accept the responsibility to host a World Cup, you INVITE the world to your country.
Second of all, when your local culture completely and utterly destroys the culture of football (as the rest of the world understands it), the common decency would be to understand this and accommodate the world and football before your own local interests, you are a HOST, good hosts put their VISTORS before themselves.
Third of all, reducing viewership is basically tying your own noose. Pissing off advertisers is never a wise move, the World Cup is no more immune to this than any other event.
Fourth of all, generally you're supposed to highlight your country's strengths and tourism when you host such an event. Not turn off millions of people from even considering a visit, all from one very silly over-bearing issue. Do you really want your country's image tarnished from a little fucking plastic horn? I hear virtually nothing about South Africa, all I heard in the Beijing Olympics was "China great host this", "China great host that".
Fifth of all, if you don't watch football (even just for the World Cup), please shut the fuck up, as you have no appreciation for the issue at hand. I'm sick of tolerance nazi's butting in to the discussion with no appreciation of the complaint, all you can do is scream blue murder.
Many South African comments are in the nature of "This is OUR World Cup, if you don't like it, leave/don't watch!". Yes well people are taking those options and if the numbers are big enough; The only thing that's going to hurt is African nations holding the World Cup in the future. Both in selection and future attendance.


Some good points there. What the hosts might need reminding about is how this World Cup will be remembered. Currently the football's not great (and that might well be due partly to the vuvuzelas themselves) and so you'd hope the atmosphere would make up for it. These trumpets don't create atmosphere - I learned today they are primarily there to distract opposition players and obviously they do that very well.

The fact is that regardless of how bad the organisers screw this up, the World Cup is not coming back to Africa for sometime. Next up is Brazil and no African country is bidding for 2018 or 2022. Given that it's 44 years since England hosted I'm guessing it could be a similar gap for African countries as I don't know many who would be better equipped that South Africa.

First of all, you HOST the World Cup, it is a privilege countries FIGHT for. You host this for an estimated viewership of 2 BILLION PEOPLE, almost 1/3rd of the WORLD'S POPULATION. When you accept the responsibility to host a World Cup, you INVITE the world to your country.

Second of all, when your local culture completely and utterly destroys the culture of football (as the rest of the world understands it), the common decency would be to understand this and accommodate the world and football before your own local interests, you are a HOST, good hosts put their VISTORS before themselves.

Third of all, reducing viewership is basically tying your own noose. Pissing off advertisers is never a wise move, the World Cup is no more immune to this than any other event.

Fourth of all, generally you're supposed to highlight your country's strengths and tourism when you host such an event. Not turn off millions of people from even considering a visit, all from one very silly over-bearing issue. Do you really want your country's image tarnished from a little fucking plastic horn? I hear virtually nothing about South Africa, all I heard in the Beijing Olympics was "China great host this", "China great host that".

Fifth of all, if you don't watch football (even just for the World Cup), please shut the fuck up, as you have no appreciation for the issue at hand. I'm sick of tolerance nazi's butting in to the discussion with no appreciation of the complaint, all you can do is scream blue murder.

Many South African comments are in the nature of "This is OUR World Cup, if you don't like it, leave/don't watch!". Yes well people are taking those options and if the numbers are big enough; The only thing that's going to hurt is African nations holding the World Cup in the future. Both in selection and future attendance.

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^Sigh:
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You were saying about old? You don't have to tell people how to enjoy it, but they shouldn't expect anything else on the world stage to ever go back until they shut the fuck up.
>> ^Yogi:
>> ^harry:
It's the fucking vuvuzela. South Africa pretends it's tradition, but it's apparently something that was ivented about 30 years ago, I guess by a marketing dude.
It's a monotonous buzzing that continues for the full 90 minutes. Some channels (like the BBC) appear to manage their sound levels reasonably, but the Dutch broadcasters have been unable to cope, and the commentators are frequently drowned out.
I don't like football as it is, but this makes it totally impossible to even watch it in the background. I'll just count the number of cheers and cries in the street when Oranje is on.

Yes South Africa...collectively as a country is pretending that they like something as a tradition. Firstly it doesn't have to be old for it to be a tradition. Secondly you can't tell people how to enjoy a game in their own fucking country, so shut the fuck up.


A father buys a vuvuzela at a game...he hands it down to his son...now it's tradition. You mother fuckers think you can go into another fucking country MOVE out the indigenous population and set up a soccer tournament and then tell the locals how to fucking behave. You're simply what's wrong with the fucking world trying to force others to conform to your standards...for what? So you can watch a bunch of little games on TV while you sit on your fat fucking ass. Fuck you, you don't deserve to live.

I really really dislike the vuvuzela. It's made it nigh on impossible to hear the commentary during some of the games, and I had to stop watching the last 20 minutes of the South Africa v. Mexico game as my brain was pounding.

They also drown out singing fans, which in my opinion are far more entertaining, and contribute to the atmosphere much more than the locust plague of biblical proportions. There were hints of songs breaking through the cacophony during the England v. USA game, and it really improved the viewing experience (let's just not talk about Green )

Finally, the players themselves say they don't like them.... The French team bemoaned the fact that they couldn't get any sleep, nor communicate during the game, while other players have also spoken out against them.

There's also the "oh no they damage your hearing" argument, but I'm less into that as a reason to get rid of them. Football games have always been noisy, and air horns (and drums) can easily reach similar (if not quite the same) decibel levels. It's more the incessant droaning on and on that really gets to me.

I'd love to hear what some South African players think of them. The man with the fashion sense said that the players love them, but I simply can't believe that unless I hear it from the players themselves - it just seems ludicrous to me.

>> ^VoodooV:

I'm a football newb. What's with the constant droning horns in the background. At first I thought it was a psychological thing to use against the opposing team but it is non-stop.


Drove me up a freaking wall. Apparently, they're vuvuzelas which are big horns that South Africans blow at matches. I imagine all the World Cup visitors wanted them too.

I usually love TED, but you can't have a substantial conversation about aid and its efficacy or lack thereof if you aren't willing to engage in serious and critical political discourse. Unfortunately TED has always been too politically correct for its own good, but when you look at their trailing list of corporate sponsors how can you be surprised.

Hmmm, lentils, bed nets, immunization . . . what about the context that all these aid measures take place in? Africa is not some generic entity to be pitied. As an 'African' a South African more specifically, I get seriously annoyed by the disingenuous way in which 'African' issues are constantly portrayed and inevitably lugged together. Just trying to get a basic inkling on the poverty and aid issues underpinned by the social, economic and political fabric that exists in South Africa alone would take an incredible amount of time and is VERY specific.

Just learning about and trying to understand my own country has been consuming enough and truthfully I only have a basic handle on a few others like Cote D'ivoire, Liberia, Sierra Leone, Botswana and Nigeria. All have an incredibly diverse and complex set of problems and they will never be addressed by grouping them together as if inflicted with some kind of 'generalised poverty disorder' that you can throw a pill at.

Pointing to the success of small scale village based social programs as some kind of science based platform for understanding and eradicating poverty in Africa is, in my opinion, totally delusional. It wreaks of the ahistorical imperial anthropology of old.

If you are going to generalise and frame 'Africa's' problems, you have to have the courage to point fingers at some of the MANY corporations, banks, institutions and nations that so readily contribute towards the vast pools of misery found throughout this beautiful continent. Poverty is a complex bi-product of Africa's colonial history and the consequent exploitation and manipulation that has dogged the continent to this day. As long as the majority of the wealth of its nations is being siphoned off into foreign bank accounts there will be no solutions bearing any lasting impact.