>> ^bluecliff:
heres a metaphor for you
your walking down a path which leads over a cliff, do you go ahead across the cliff and then if you fall blame gravity?
Hell, in the christian world view, is a constant of the human condition, it is the nature of the world, not of God. He doesn't send you to hell, you send yourself to hell - essentially speaking (although crudely put)
Now this leads you theological and cosmological problems about who created the world etc. but thats not his current argument.


That interpretation is not consistent with the plain language of the New Testament. Damnation always presented as an act of condemnation by a divine Judge. A more poetic interpretation may serve to salve one's conscience, but probably isn't very sound doctrine by Scriptural standards. The prose of the Pauline epistles does not really admit of the looseness of poetic interpretation.

Hell is not merely the suffering one inflicts upon oneself, either here or in the afterlife, but suffering that is inflicted by another.


I have no idea what you mean with your rant about how "the world is purely parodic." Whatever logical connection it has with the argument at hand didn't make it out of your head and into the post.

Salve, Brother Vorenus!

..and here all the while I suspected most comments would win some sorta, similar salutations...oh well, at least not everyone likes me, that satisfies better'n a cooling salve applied on third degree, self-inflicted burns down to the local all-nighter-

By what mechanism did you intend for the "non-participant" to decide? Random or insight?

5/5 sounds good. motivation to roast well balanced by post roasting soothing compensationary salve.

um If you were worried about it when u took it you obviously didn't research it enough and also took to higher dose for a first time. if u gradually got into it ore read up then you wouldn't have been scared of the trip lasting 4 ever. saliva will make u aware of anny anxsiaties that you currently have evan preconceptions of anxsiaties you may have. so its important to take it when u r in a happy mood not worried and in a comfortable place. the resoin why people cnt describe what is happaning when thay r tripping and shortly after is a) its normally 2 abstract and visual to describe in a easily interpretable way b) its hard to talk and think in a logical structure when u r high

what i believe salve a dose is as u pointed out is allow u to move more you consciousness into the hemesphear of your brain that focuses more on abstract thought rather than logic however it maintains enough of your consciousness in the logical side so that u can interpret what is happening. the larger the dose the more your mind moves into abstract thought giving you a more profound trip but less control ore ability to remember what happened.

I don't believe you can learn much from smoking weed if u listen to some stoner's talk whilst u r sober you can easily tell thay r talking nonsense only think its significant. with salvea what you see and feal and the conclusions you arrive at in terms of who you are can be quite profound.

as for the woman killing her son how the hell would you kill sum one when high on salvea ? i guess if u acidently fell on them maby but you would have to be a retard in the first place for taking it with a kid near. its like if i decided to light an open fire for warmth next to a small baby and dident look after them.

last of all ! don't take this for a one off experiment take it because you researched it and u think it will be a worth while exsperance the problem with taking it after watching an internet clip or a bunch of mates take it is that you will have a preconception of what the exspearance will be like and that will tarnish the trip. This is why its encouraged to grow the plant yourself before you take it (although most people smoke refined stuff (x5-x40)) because your subconsciouses will develop a relationship with it and the fact you grew it an nurtured it will make a difference.