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Ya know I really wanted to like this video but it just seemed like some guy going camping in a really well used little known camping spot with a bunch of RVs that ran out of gas and never escaped the place.

Meanwhile from the news crawl:

"Dick Cheney released from hospital" (TRAILER HOMES DESTROYED!)
"Same-sex couples file suit against Defense of Marriage act" (RVs RIPPED APART!)
"Image of NYC terror threat prompts probe" (YOU CAN SEE THE ROTATION!)
"Most police track phones' locations without warrants" (NO TRACTORS ATTACHED TO THEM!)
"World Trade Centre nears landmark height, reaches 100 floors" (SMALLISH TORNADO!)
"Urban archeologist uncover history beneath streets" (JUST PICKED THOSE THINGS UP!)
"Police: California shooting suspect shows no remorse" (NOTHING TO GET IN THEIR WAY!)
"New York plans to ban words from standardized tests" (15,000 POUNDS EMPTY!)
"Critics: NYPD's 'stop, question and frisk' policy is racial profiling" (IMAGINE THE POTENTIAL!)
"Analysis of video, audio could support both sides of Martin case" (KNOCKING ON DOORS!)
"Body of missing barista believed found in Alaska" (LOOK AT THOSE CARS!)

One: Do you believe that Randall should live or die? Plus your reasoning for it. I would suggest remembering his time in town (episode 10) and what he said to Daryl and Karl.

1: I think Randall will say or do whatever it takes to stay alive. He sees a weakness in their group's mindset and tries to play on it. He took the wrong approach with Karl. However his former group left him to die. He knew of the girl and her farm. Why did he not lead his former group to the farm for supplies at least if he a true member of it? I think he realizes numbers = better chance of survival and that the group we're seeing in the story is not very structured or strong. In the end, not living in a zombieland, he should live. However with the story how it is, and how he manipulated and saw how much the group who normally wouldn't have killed outright tried to kill him AFTER beating his ass....I think they need to kill him. I don't agree with it, I can understand it though. He will be the guy who sets the precedent that if they kill him, all future humans (but probably not women or children) will be killed. If they don't kill him, he will betray them and prove their decision wrong.

2: Karl sees everyone he doesn't know as a walker. Whether they are or not. I think seeing the walker kill Dale with it likely being Karl's fault has probably locked in his reaction from here on out. His only exception will be young women, due to Sophia. As for confession of possibly leading the walker, I think at the moment he's leading towards Shane in character so he probably will not confess to anything to the current group. Although I think it will come out eventually because this show is drama more than anything else.

3: Right time? Probably. Immediate reaction was: This is just stupid, he walked off alone into the dark, saw a torn apart cow and just froze like he was confused as to what possible could have caused it. The effect on the group will be seeing the world as uglier but acting as if it wasn't in his name, and it will be largely negative and become a plot device on how they will screw themselves going forward. I don't see Dale as a member with power, Glenn will take up his role and Glenn has actual juice to make it happen since he's the go to guy for getting supplies. There may be the possibility of Daryl and Glenn sharing the role Dale played as the group conscience since Daryl has been on the outs and needs to be brought back in. I have no idea on the television politics, but his character was doing less and less each episode. At least before he was keeping the RV running and things organized. Anymore he barely appeared in the episodes in any significant role. Daryl, Glenn, and Andrea were doing significant amounts of sitting on the RV and playing lookout.

Personally I'd like to see Daryl replace Dale and then have the other "big" group headed up by Daryl's brother who lost the hand in Season 1. Hopefully it'll be action based and cleverness instead of drama and talking. Where Glenn and Daryl are more fixtures in the series, because Im tired of hearing about the baby/pregnancy and Hershel's family is largely just boring as all hell. And that farm looks like possibly the worst possible place to pick for fortifying and they have done nothing to prepare it......like boarding the lower windows.

I may have to look into the books.....in the middle of some other books right now though.

Lots of stuff bugs me about this show. I know the farm is to keep budgets down, but they added a shitload of recurring characters at the same time as they picked a dull setting....so Im not sure how that saved them money.

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>> ^rougy:

@bcglorf,
You're right that it has to be looked at more closely. If you find anything concrete, please feel free to share the link with me if you feel like it.
Regarding the "social spending" angle, I'm curious to know how much of that had to do with investing in some of the more trashy gizmos that Goldman et al had to offer.
We know that here in the states, a number of pension funds took a major hit when Wall Street tanked. They had invested heavily in the CDO scam (AAA rated). Wall Street was bailed out, they weren't.
I'm curious to know how much of Greece's damage was caused by similar investments.
I'm betting it was substantial.

P.S. - G.S. has been behind a lot of really dirty financial shit and they always seem to get away with it. A number of municipalities in the USA have suffered gravely thanks to G.S. They were basically looted. Matt Taibi wrote a great article about it in Rolling Stone, but I can't find the link just now. Worth a read if you feel like Googling for it.
This is worth a read, but I don't think it's the same article I was thinking of.


No love of GS here .

I find the worst part of it though is the bailing out of massive corps like them, while their CEO's and top dogs pocket billions in profits while the companies were taking the massive risks that led to the companies collapse. In my opinion it's criminal to not demand that the ridiculous profits made taking the risks aren't the funds being used to payoff the debts from those very same risks turning out poorly later on.

For the record, in America a very big part of the wealth that was lost wasn't just pocketed by the ultra-wealthy. There were also all the middle class chaps refinancing homes they couldn't afford every two years and pocketing $30k-$60k a year for doing nothing but holding onto a home for two years. Some of those folks put that money away and came out fine. Most however bought RV's, electronics, multiple vehicles to fill their three car garages, and any other toys they wanted. After all, they were earning $30k a year for doing virtually nothing and had the money to burn. Of course after they had burnt that money, their backs were up against the wall when they bought that last fateful home before the market dropped out and found themselves with a $750k mortgage for home now worth $200k and payments they could only make in a world were they sold their home next year for $900k. Again, not everyone was doing this, but the numbers were very high. Over the 15 or so years this madness was going on, the guys really milking it had burnt through almost a half million dollars each buying stuff they really didn't need and with a method that had left them indebted for that same half mill with no way to pay it off. With 10s of thousands of people all having run after this, the value of the bad decisions of even the middle class was utterly massive. It wasn't only Goldman Sachs laughing all the way to the bank with free money, they were just doing it at a bigger scale, taking their 10% cut off the excess of thousands of similarly greedy middle class folk.

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