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Plane Ran Out of Fuel at 41,000 Feet. Here's What Happened.

CrushBug says...

OK, hold the fucking phone here. This video is just a disaster. It is flippant and glossing over the facts of what actually happened. This story is a favorite of mine, so I have done a lot a reading on it.

This happened in 1983 (36 years ago).

>> Do planes seriously not have a fuel gauge?

There is specifically a digital fuel gauge processor on that plane, and it was malfunctioning. There was an inductor coil that wasn't properly soldered onto the circuit board. At that time, planes were allowed to fly without a functioning digital fuel gauge as long as there was a manual check of the fuel in tanks and the computer was told the starting fuel.

The problem is that fuel trucks pump by volume and planes measure fuel by weight. The fueling truck converted the volume to kilograms and then converted to pounds. He should not have used both. In 1983 ground crews were used to converting volume to pounds. The 767 was the first plane in Air Canada's fleet to have metric fuel gauges.

The line in the video "the flight crew approved of the fuel without noticing the error" glosses over how it is actually done. The pilot was passed a form that contained the numbers and calculations from the ground crew that stated that 22,300 kg of fuel was loaded on the plane. The math was wrong, but unless the pilots re-did the numbers by hand, there wouldn't be anything to jump out at them. He accepted the form and punched those numbers in to the computer.

The 767 was one of the first planes to eliminate the Flight Engineer position and replace it with a computer. There was no clear owner as to who does the fuel calc in this situation. In this case, it fell to the ground crew.

>> I would hope there is a nit more of a warning system than the engines shutting off.

If there was a functional digital fuel gauge, it would have showed them missing half their fuel from the start, and the error would have been caught. Because there wasn't, the computer was calculating and displaying the amount of fuel based on an incorrect start value.

That is another problem with this video. It states that "they didn't even think about it until ... and an alarm went off signalling that their left engine had quit working."

Fuck you, narrator asshole.

In this case, low fuel pump pressure warnings were firing off before the engines shut down. They were investigating why they would be getting these low pressure warnings when their calculated fuel values (based on the original error) showed that they had enough fuel.

>> I can't believe the pilot's were given an award for causing an avoidable accident.

The pilots did not cause it. They followed all the proper procedures applicable at that time, 1983. It was only due to their skill and quick thinking that the pilots landed the plane without any serious injuries to passengers.

They ran simulations in Vancouver of this exact fuel and flight situation and all the crews that ran this simulation crashed their planes.

"Bad math can kill you." Flippant, correct, but still not quite applicable to this situation. Air Canada did not provide any conversion training for dealing with kilograms and the 767. Not the ground crew, nor the pilots, were trained how to handle it. They were expected to "figure it out". That, and the elimination of the Flight Engineer position, set these situations up for disaster.

Listening to a Radio Tower With Weed

hazmat22 says...

The amount of energy being transmitted into that plant to make it too hot to touch that quickly, think of how much longer it would take to do the same in your 1000W microwave.....

lv_hunter (Member Profile)

Mother keeps her cool in the middle of a Detroit car-jacking

Glenn Greenwald vs. David Gregory

How To Deal With A Videobomber.

Bus Driver's Life Saving Grab

xxovercastxx says...

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^BoneRemake:
nochannel
fear
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happy
quick thinking attentive driver
ITS NOT KIDS GOD DAMNIT ! KIDS DOES NOT = KID IN VIDEO #($ &@#( )$&@)(# &@)(# &@)#( &@

We should name the tag something else then. Or have another tag.


*forkids might be better, as long as nobody tries to start a *fork channel down the line

Bus Driver's Life Saving Grab

chingalera says...

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^BoneRemake:
nochannel
fear
wheels
happy
quick thinking attentive driver
ITS NOT KIDS GOD DAMNIT ! KIDS DOES NOT = KID IN VIDEO #($ &@#( )$&@)(# &@)(# &@)#( &@

We should name the tag something else then. Or have another tag.


Maybe add the caveat to the channel that it can be beneficial FOR kids to watch?? Like bewbs and puppies?

Puppies = good for kids
Bewbs = good for kids
Kids = Kids channel

Bus Driver's Life Saving Grab

Yogi says...

>> ^BoneRemake:

nochannel
fear
wheels
happy
quick thinking attentive driver
ITS NOT KIDS GOD DAMNIT ! KIDS DOES NOT = KID IN VIDEO #($ &@#( )$&@)(# &@)(# &@)#( &@


We should name the tag something else then. Or have another tag.

Bus Driver's Life Saving Grab

Amazing Facts to Blow Your Mind

direpickle says...

>> ^poolcleaner:

>> ^ReverendTed:
>> ^brycewi19:
>> ^hpqp:
Also, what the hell does "breathing manually" mean? With my hands?

I think what he meant is that we can control our breathing under our own cognition rather than involuntarily (which it normally does). That and blinking are involuntary functions that we can override "manually" through our own will and cognitive abilities.
...and that we will override when our attention is called to them. Like "you are now aware of your tongue filling your mouth."

"you are now aware of your tongue filling your butt." How does that make you feel?


Quick! Think of three things that aren't Jackie Chan!

Russian Dashcam Compilation From TwisterNederland

messenger says...

I just avoided being in a head-on collision today because of my quick-thinking cabbie. Didn't really need the clearer picture of what I missed, but it does bring it home why we should wear seatbelts.

Driver Attemps Hit and Run, Gets Blocked in By Other Drivers

zombieater says...

>> ^toferyu:

Just to clear things up : the hit'n runner was the teen, the bicyclist was 50, which actually explains everything :-P (from news article)
"Bethlehem Police Commissioner Jason Schiffer and Mayor John Callahan honored Richard Gubish Jr., 43, of Northampton, and Jud Smull, 17, of Bethlehem during a news conference this afternoon to commend their quick thinking.
“I’m just glad I got there quick,” said Gubish before the event, his hands stuffed in his LANTA jacket.
Frank Pavlick, 50, of Bethlehem, was hit Monday afternoon by a 17-year-old driver in the northbound lanes of the Fahy Bridge."


Ohh good catch.

Driver Attemps Hit and Run, Gets Blocked in By Other Drivers

toferyu says...

Just to clear things up : the hit'n runner was the teen, the bicyclist was 50, which actually explains everything :-P (from news article)

"Bethlehem Police Commissioner Jason Schiffer and Mayor John Callahan honored Richard Gubish Jr., 43, of Northampton, and Jud Smull, 17, of Bethlehem during a news conference this afternoon to commend their quick thinking.
“I’m just glad I got there quick,” said Gubish before the event, his hands stuffed in his LANTA jacket.
Frank Pavlick, 50, of Bethlehem, was hit Monday afternoon by a 17-year-old driver in the northbound lanes of the Fahy Bridge."



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