seeing is how most of yall are more libertarian than me, does that mean I get to call you a bunch of anarchists now?

by the way, anyone fancy it funny that your boy Obama is not only on the right and authoritarian, but hes in a totally opposite quadrant as most posters here?

<embed src ="http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/usprimaries_2008.png">

not sure how they decided Ron Paul as either authoritarian or more conservative than everyone in the GOP though.

>> ^NetRunner:
I'm curious if we have anyone in the second (upper left) quadrant.


Its certainly interesting you say that, because if we take up-down as authoritarian/anarchy and left-right as collectivist/individualist, do you really think you are more towards no government than total government?

I would place most people on this site in the upper left quadrant.

Also, the test itself is mixing metrics. Political systems and social systems are distinctly different. This is named a "political compass" yet the two scales it lists on the analysis page are the "economic scale" and "social scale" yet there is absolutely no reason to favor one scale over the other in determining authoritarianism or libertarianism. As it happens, the author chose the social scale. If he had chosen the economic scale everyone here would be potentially labeled as authoritarian.

The reality is that your social morality is not necessarily dependent on your political system. For instance it is possible to favor the legality of racist speech (political realm) yet be personally against racism (social realm).

This test is taking two political systems, anarchy and authoritarianism and plotting them on a social scale from answers to both political and social questions. This doesn't even make sense; its like measuring your weight and plotting it in inches. A more useful plot would be a cube with x, y, and z coordinates where the three scales are economic, social, and political.

Why do you think most people on this site are measuring in the (-x,-y) quadrant? Most people on this site are socially liberal and economically collectivist. That is the bottom left quadrant where Gandhi "allegedly" is. If the compass was given as a cube, most people here would measure as (-x, -y, +z): economically collectivist, socially liberal, and politically authoritarian - much closer to Stalin and completely opposite from Gandhi.

I am economically individualistic, socially liberal, and politically libertarian, which in a cube would be (+x, -y, -z). blankfist from what I can tell would fall into this same category.

There is just no way the posters on this site accurately fall into the libertarian category. The only time I have ever heard the word "voluntary" out of anyones mouth is when they are quoting one of the 5 libertarians who post here, or they are using it as part of the greater word "involuntary."

"I'm curious if we have anyone in the second (upper left) quadrant."

Just Siftbot. He's staring at me.

^There probably aren't more than a handful of people on this site who'd fit into the social conservative quadrants and the social conservative/fiscal liberal quadrant is pretty much non-existent at this point.

I'd love to see more people take the test. So far, we only have half the quadrants represented.

Surely we have people with two positive numbers. I'm curious if we have anyone in the second (upper left) quadrant.

^ I guess it's getting lonely for you, all by yourself in the Unabomber Quadrant.

^ Mike Gravel is supposedly in your quadrant.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/usprimaries2008

>> ^DavidRaine:
You'd think I'd remember this episode. Anyone know which one it is?


I think it's from the 3rd season episode "The Price", the man Troi is talking about is Devinoni Ral, a part Betazoid, Federation negotiator attending a meeting to determine who will purchase the rights to the Barzan wormhole, a supposedly stable wormhole that leads to the Delta Quadrant. Plus Beverly has that terrible 3rd season hairdo.

lets just say i have seen historical evidence that Amelia, and several other key figures from the year 1937 are alive and doing well on a planet in the delta quadrant.

Yeah there has been a few changes. Most notedly Sifbot has contacted the Borg and they'll be here from the delta quadrant by stardate 2142. Our invocations are now as follows: promote, kill, discard, quality. We did away with requeues in favor for personal queues (or pqueues). Promote is the new save, and also promotes.

Also the *assimilate command will be functioning as soon as siftbot has created his first batch of nanoprobes.

Edit: And of course the beg command to put a video into beggars canyon. Place is full of wamp rats and whatnot.

Farhad:
Yes, I would have set deflection and fixed quadrant.
When I was there, 95% of our fire missions were canceled because there were civillians in the area. Most of those times, the grunts that we were supporting were put into more danger because they could not get the fire support they needed, all so that we would not risk hitting civillians.

And since when did people get cancer from living in a shitty house?

Oh cry me a river of Iraqi blood.

Am so tired of this nonsense that the US military forces are great and we should cheer them as they bomb, shoot and house search through their way to democracy in Iraq. The use of military force should reflect a failure of all other means, but that was not the case in Iraq, its a cowboy misadventure paid by the lives of Iraqi civilians and US force casualties.

Yes individually the US military is comprised of sons, daughters, mothers and fathers and am sure most of them are great humans beings (even though a minority has committed war crimes) and I would love to have beer with them. But ultimately they are an apparatus of death being a military force, representing an occupational force in Iraq. Thoughts of democracy, bringing peace, playing with Iraqis flies out the window the moment someone starts shooting at you, the military is composed of individuals who serve but one purpose at the end of the date. Force elimination.

If you were ordered to fire your howitzer at a Fallujah because terrorists were hauled up in there, would you stop and think about civilian casualties? Or would you just fix deflection and firing quadrant and shoot? Shrapnel doesn't differentiate between civilians and enemy combatants. Your statement about no collateral damage flies in the face of those killed through artillery bombardment, air force strikes and those who get killed through suicide bombers that were not there before the war.

The criticism is not leveled at the troops here, but at the commander in chief who decides to send them into a war zone with a false premise, unprepared for post invasion reconciliation and inadequately trained for basically being a occupational force. You've been handed a political reconciliation (WMD prior to that) mission that has no real way of being won through military means, and your paying for it in blood of young Americans and Iraqis.

Ok, Danimal, I know you meant no disrespect - but have you ever loaded a 155mm Howitzer? Unless you're Ahnold, you simply aren't strong enough seat the round in the bore with a good seal without ramming it - not to mention that the tray is faster. Also, yes, the chief is supposed to jump around. How else would he verify the data? The fact that you call it a "rail" and not a trail is either a typo, or tells me that you really don't know what you're talking about. What exactly did you do?

Big Bigbikeman: Deflection 3288 is a reading in mils. A mil is 1/6,400th of a complete circle, or .056 degrees. So deflection is left and right - the number he read before that was quadrant - that is the elevation of the cannon. On the right is the quadrant - there is a dial that is set to whatever number is called off and when the cannon tube is elevated, there is a level vial that must be leveled out - that tells you that you are at the set quadrant. On the left is the PanTel, or Panoramic Telescope. On this there is also a dial that is set to the number called off for the mission. When the Gunner sets that number, the head rotates, and he must then traverse the cannon back so he can see his aiming point through the PanTel.

Spoco: I don't know much about the cost of all that, but it's relatively inexpensive. You'd have to find an ammo technician for that.

Dag: Yes, ear protection is actually mandated by the SOP. However, it also hinders your ability to properly hear the data being called off and verified. You'll find that most Marines don't wear it, rather than just use their two forefingers - they work better than anything else. Hearing protection is mostly in the form of in-ear plugs.

[Adjusts deflection...sets quadrant...loads Rocket-Assisted High Explosive round...shoves in Charge 8 stick...Closes and primes breech] Just gimme a reason, dag. You can run all you want - my gun can shoot targets 30 kilometers away.