LSD can treat alcoholism ... MDMA for PTSD ... Ibogaine for opiates ... Hey, if someones idea of recreational use is taking psychotropic drugs, more power to them cause I dont want to. Their experiences are valuable data, and their stories are entertaining... better than talking to a drunk for sure


In November 2012, a Medical Marijuana facility in Israel announced a new strain of the plant which only has Cannabidiol as an active ingredient, and virtually no THC. This new strain gives the benefits of Medical Marijuana with none of the side-effects associated with being "high"

WHY isnt my country doing this research?? Blocking our research but funding a country that performs its own while not being able to share in the results... what in the hell is going on

Cannabidiol is unscheduled in the US. However tetrahydrocannabinols, both naturally and synthetically occurring, are currently classified under Schedule I of the US Controlled Substances Act ... SO IS THE PLANT ILLEGAL? OR JUST INGESTING IT? CAN WE GROW HEMP OR NOT????

Also the patent on cannabidiol that the US govt has through the dept of health and human services, granted in 2003 ... they are saving it for pharmaceutical companies, no laymen can grow a plant and use it... sickening...a crime that effects us all, user or not.

Hemp alone for pulp alone would be a huge boon to our economy, but nooooo, lets log wood for pulp??? Every level of cannabis prohibition smacks of ignorance and ulterior motives. Im tired of it. I live in WA state, and we proved it this year.

>> ^bmacs27:

I knew somebody that jumped out a window on LSD. Drugs are fun and all, but the story here is that there is a treatment for PTSD, not that recreational use of MDMA or anything else is suddenly a good idea.
The doctors and academics aren't "assholes." There are just more important things to do than rationalize your psychedelic experimentation. We don't know how the brain works in a stable state, let alone after you fuck with it royally.
Also, just so you are aware of how bad your information is, a quick google scholar search for dimethyltryptamine 2012 yielded over 2000 results. Man, these assholes need to get crackin'!


http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_death.shtml

I knew somebody that jumped out a window on LSD. Drugs are fun and all, but the story here is that there is a treatment for PTSD, not that recreational use of MDMA or anything else is suddenly a good idea.

The doctors and academics aren't "assholes." There are just more important things to do than rationalize your psychedelic experimentation. We don't know how the brain works in a stable state, let alone after you fuck with it royally.

Also, just so you are aware of how bad your information is, a quick google scholar search for dimethyltryptamine 2012 yielded over 2000 results. Man, these assholes need to get crackin'!

I have not, do you need to take a MAOI? Trying to dig up info on it now but looks like everyone is confused in the thread I am reading.

>> ^criticalthud:

fuckballs on the mimosa! that sucks!!
have you tried acacia confusa?
In reply to this comment by shagen454:

fuckballs on the mimosa! that sucks!!
have you tried acacia confusa?

In reply to this comment by shagen454:
You are right. I only know of one person that continues to study DMT and that is Rick Strassman, unfortunately. DMT really needs to be studied, it is like an antenna into other dimensions. I would never be able to describe the 4d, holographic, complex, ornate, alien worlds I have flown through with my eyes closed. Those are just some words that do not come close to a description.

To me what matters is that our society reevaluates its stance on drugs and medicine. So many illegal drugs are harmless and non addictive. They used to say that MDMA would put holes in your brain and that LSD would make one jump out of a window. Its all bullshit. Right now I can no longer get DMT because the DEA decided to bust distribution of mimosa hostilis. What right do they have?

>> ^criticalthud:

>> ^shagen454:
Now these assholes just need to study DMT to unlock the mysteries of our minds and the universe

I think academia, which is often ruled by the ego and is based on a competitive system, is ill able to really delve into psychedelics, which pretty much requires at least the start of ego death and the base awareness that the ego is the primary limiting factor in conscious development.

You are right. I only know of one person that continues to study DMT and that is Rick Strassman, unfortunately. DMT really needs to be studied, it is like an antenna into other dimensions. I would never be able to describe the 4d, holographic, complex, ornate, alien worlds I have flown through with my eyes closed. Those are just some words that do not come close to a description.

To me what matters is that our society reevaluates its stance on drugs and medicine. So many illegal drugs are harmless and non addictive. They used to say that MDMA would put holes in your brain and that LSD would make one jump out of a window. Its all bullshit. Right now I can no longer get DMT because the DEA decided to bust distribution of mimosa hostilis. What right do they have?

>> ^criticalthud:

>> ^shagen454:
Now these assholes just need to study DMT to unlock the mysteries of our minds and the universe

I think academia, which is often ruled by the ego and is based on a competitive system, is ill able to really delve into psychedelics, which pretty much requires at least the start of ego death and the base awareness that the ego is the primary limiting factor in conscious development.

>> ^shagen454:

Now these assholes just need to study DMT to unlock the mysteries of our minds and the universe


I think academia, which is often ruled by the ego and is based on a competitive system, is ill able to really delve into psychedelics, which pretty much requires at least the start of ego death and the base awareness that the ego is the primary limiting factor in conscious development.

>> ^bmacs27:

I'm just curious, are you guys happiest because a successful treatment for a serious condition has been discovered? Or is it more because medicinal uses of recreational substances you happen to enjoy have been found? I only ask because my suspicion is that if a video had come along saying "blah blah blah drug you've never heard of" has been shown to be effective at treating PTSD you all probably wouldn't care.


i'm happy because it's pretty obvious the MDMA is great for all sorts of therapy, especially in getting people to talk to eachother. On MDMA, you tend to see the positive sides of things.

I'm just curious, are you guys happiest because a successful treatment for a serious condition has been discovered? Or is it more because medicinal uses of recreational substances you happen to enjoy have been found? I only ask because my suspicion is that if a video had come along saying "blah blah blah drug you've never heard of" has been shown to be effective at treating PTSD you all probably wouldn't care.

Dude looks like he's 1/2 my age, could be my son, I'll call him "Kid".
That doesn't take anything away from the commitment, life changing experience he's going through and PTSD he'll be taking back with him.
Still think he's funny and could get himself a show.
>> ^BoneRemake:

>> ^toferyu:
Kid should have his own show !

ya don't go calling someone who enlisted in an armed force a fucking kid.

@ulysses1904
http://www.copblock.org/2841/police-brutality-statistics/

Sorry there criminal justice professor, no need to site anything but internet sources, you have eyes and everyone has cell phones to record, you can see the rage in the faces of the majority of cops. They pump the shit into homes 24/7, 365 to let us all know that crime is on the rise and more cops with better weapons are needed.

The violence may continue to rise given that the pool of recruits becomes less intelligent (a result of being raised in a society in decline) and the pool of qualified applicants include more inner-city youths, PTSD victims returning home from fucking around the globe playing war games, etc...

Police organizations will always recruit the dregs as well as the capable, but more punks and thugs everyday become law enforcement...Goes with the territory as it were, I am convinced that to perform your duties as a Police officer you have to compromise integrity and ethics at some point or you will not make the final cut. The job has become tainted.

In one possible future which includes these less-than-ethical thugs as cops, there may only be a few types of citizens:
Ultra Wealthy
Wage slaves
Police,Military, Prison personnel, EMT, and other Government employees

This particular prank will never get old, never grow less funny....even better if the guy was back from 3 tours from Afghanistan with PTSD, n which case he would have probably cleaned the house with his roommate's entrails!!

Your Honor, due to the negligently designed and built step, I tripped causing me to spill my hot McDonald's coffee on my genitals causing pain, suffering, loss of enjoyment of life and PTSD

>> ^mgittle:

>> ^bcglorf:
>> ^mgittle:
@dannym3141
That's the point of this occupywallst thing. It doesn't require an inspiring figure or a set of demands or goals to achieve. It's like when someone who's always thought there was something wrong with their religious beliefs meets an atheist and has that realization that there are other people out there who are having the same thoughts as they are. It's a pretty powerful thing.
I agree that protests seem more effective when they have specific goals, but why does this specific protest need a goal today . I think it's better to stand up and say the whole "I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore". Work out the details later.
The Arab protest movements didn't start with any inspiring figures or well thought out sets of goals. Sure, they were probably a little more geared towards getting rid of their governments, but those governments had figureheads. Wall Street has no single figurehead at which people can direct their anger. How do you kill a beast with no head?
I think we're seeing something new here...a protest with no head to kill the beast with no head. A true battle of mindsets. This is the new culture war.

The Arab spring had a very clear goal, to remove a dictatorship and replace it with democracy. They weren't just mad at the world and burn it all down. They had a very specific alternative already in mind that they were demanding. You demean their plight and deaths for the right to vote by claiming kinship between it and this vague, I'm mad cause I wanna be rich too rumbling.

Yeah, maybe it's a first world plight and it's not as "fight or flight" "life and death" as the Arab spring, but I don't think it's right to differentiate struggles against the concentration of power the way you're suggesting. That's like how people argue that soldiers with PTSD shouldn't get a purple heart because they didn't shed blood. Yes, it's different, but it's still an injury. You can argue that health care is a life and death struggle as well. Hell, I'd almost rather we were fighting for our lives in the literal sense...then maybe people would realize that dying from lack of health care is still dying. The fact that you didn't get shot or die in a terrorist attack doesn't change that. Dead is dead.
I don't think the wall st. protesters are just "rumbling", nor do I think they want to just "burn it all down". It's also ridiculous to say that they "wanna be rich too".


Your missing my central point. The Arab spring protesters were not just opposing something worse and more sinister, the equally important point is that they were protesting to advocate for something better.

Please articulate for me what it is that the occupy wall street crowd wants. Do they have a solution they are advocating for? Without advocating for a solution to the problem, they are just rumbling and lobbying to fix the problem by burning it down. Or maybe in terms that you'd more willingly agree with, without advocating for a solution, they are leaving it in the hands of the elite to come up with the solution. That kind of paternal attitude though is at the heart of the problem.

>> ^bcglorf:

>> ^mgittle:
@dannym3141
That's the point of this occupywallst thing. It doesn't require an inspiring figure or a set of demands or goals to achieve. It's like when someone who's always thought there was something wrong with their religious beliefs meets an atheist and has that realization that there are other people out there who are having the same thoughts as they are. It's a pretty powerful thing.
I agree that protests seem more effective when they have specific goals, but why does this specific protest need a goal today . I think it's better to stand up and say the whole "I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore". Work out the details later.
The Arab protest movements didn't start with any inspiring figures or well thought out sets of goals. Sure, they were probably a little more geared towards getting rid of their governments, but those governments had figureheads. Wall Street has no single figurehead at which people can direct their anger. How do you kill a beast with no head?
I think we're seeing something new here...a protest with no head to kill the beast with no head. A true battle of mindsets. This is the new culture war.

The Arab spring had a very clear goal, to remove a dictatorship and replace it with democracy. They weren't just mad at the world and burn it all down. They had a very specific alternative already in mind that they were demanding. You demean their plight and deaths for the right to vote by claiming kinship between it and this vague, I'm mad cause I wanna be rich too rumbling.


Yeah, maybe it's a first world plight and it's not as "fight or flight" "life and death" as the Arab spring, but I don't think it's right to differentiate struggles against the concentration of power the way you're suggesting. That's like how people argue that soldiers with PTSD shouldn't get a purple heart because they didn't shed blood. Yes, it's different, but it's still an injury. You can argue that health care is a life and death struggle as well. Hell, I'd almost rather we were fighting for our lives in the literal sense...then maybe people would realize that dying from lack of health care is still dying. The fact that you didn't get shot or die in a terrorist attack doesn't change that. Dead is dead.

I don't think the wall st. protesters are just "rumbling", nor do I think they want to just "burn it all down". It's also ridiculous to say that they "wanna be rich too".