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Amanda Palmer and Neil Gaiman - "Psycho" (Leon Payne)

The Palmer Squares - Bareback Bath House

EndAll says...

>> ^chingalera:

There's very little good dub, rap, hip-hop anymore~
One of the most endeeeearing qualities being the propensity of ghetto-ass stoner white-boys to adopt some pseudo-Brooklyn accent and brag about how bad-ass they are~Bleeegh!



There's a lot of good rap and hip-hop these days.

They're not putting on any accents, they're from Chicago. That's how they sound.

And braggadocio in rap? How unusual!

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NASA: 130 Years of Global Warming in 30 seconds

bcglorf says...

>> ^residue:

@bcglorf would you trust someone with a doctorate in geology?
Here are some data:
Air:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cmb-faq/anomalies.php
Ocean:
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v465/n7296/fig_tab/nature09043
_F1.html
(From: Lyman, J.M., Good, S.A., Gouretski, V.V., Ishii, M., Johnson, G.C., Palmer, M.D.,
Smith, D.M., and Willis, J.K., Robust warming of the global upper ocean: Nature,
v. 465, p. 334-337.)
The only real thing debated (or that should be debated) is why it's warming up. we've got 2 basic reasons: it's because of human interaction or it's because of natural processes (hey the earth has been WAY warmer than it is now several times - http://www.scotese.com/climate.htm)
In reference to your statement about the relative contributions of water vapor and CO2, there are 2 things you need to realize. First of all, the residence time of water vapor in the atmosphere is 9 days, the residence time of CO2 among other greenhouse gases can be as much as 100 years with other greenhouse gases (aerosols for example) much longer. Most aerosols were outlawed in the late 70s but graphs of their concentration in the atmosphere show no relative decrease since the cessation of their use. The second point here is that water vapor's place in the atmosphere is natural, greenhouse gas emission is not. Water vapor contributes to the amount of greenhouse effect that we need to survive on the planet (if we didn't have the greenhouse effect at all, earth could not sustain life - too cold). Humans contribute to greenhouse effect by adding in greenhouse gases and warming the planet. To specify the relative contributions of each and say "well water vapor is the biggest culprit! We only release tiny amounts of CO2 relative to water vapor, so it's really not our fault!" is irresponsible.
You might, however, find this interesting:
http://onlin
e.wsj.com/article_email/SB10001424052970204257504577150812451167538-lMyQjAxMTAyMDIwNDEyNDQyWj.html?mod=wsj_share_email
Definitely a different take on the issue at large, but again, the argument here isn't whether or not global warming is happening (it is) but rather what it all means.


Well, you and I seem largely agreed. I commented multiple times that the warming is not in question, but rather why and more importantly what it means to us.

The challenge with accurately modelling the contribution of H2O has nothing to do with our own emissions of H2O. For all reasonable purposes we can, again as you seem to agree, ignore the meager contribution humans make to it. H2O is as you say largely short lived in the atmosphere, but it still makes up the overwhelming majority of the greenhouse effect, despite residing in the atmosphere for a fraction of the time of gases like CO2. Obviously that means that H2O replenishes itself into the atmosphere as rapidly as it dissipates. We know that this rate is driven by temperature. What we don't understand well is how that should play out in our models, or more importantly how it plays out in reality. Just how much confidence can we place on future projections of CO2 changes when we aren't even sure which sign to attribute the feedback effect of water vapor?

NASA: 130 Years of Global Warming in 30 seconds

residue says...

@bcglorf would you trust someone with a doctorate in geology?

Here are some data:

Air:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cmb-faq/anomalies.php
Ocean:
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v465/n7296/fig_tab/nature09043_F1.html
(From: Lyman, J.M., Good, S.A., Gouretski, V.V., Ishii, M., Johnson, G.C., Palmer, M.D.,
Smith, D.M., and Willis, J.K., Robust warming of the global upper ocean: Nature,
v. 465, p. 334-337.)

The only real thing debated (or that should be debated) is why it's warming up. we've got 2 basic reasons: it's because of human interaction or it's because of natural processes (hey the earth has been WAY warmer than it is now several times - http://www.scotese.com/climate.htm)

In reference to your statement about the relative contributions of water vapor and CO2, there are 2 things you need to realize. First of all, the residence time of water vapor in the atmosphere is 9 days, the residence time of CO2 among other greenhouse gases can be as much as 100 years with other greenhouse gases (aerosols for example) much longer. Most aerosols were outlawed in the late 70s but graphs of their concentration in the atmosphere show no relative decrease since the cessation of their use. The second point here is that water vapor's place in the atmosphere is natural, greenhouse gas emission is not. Water vapor contributes to the amount of greenhouse effect that we need to survive on the planet (if we didn't have the greenhouse effect at all, earth could not sustain life - too cold). Humans contribute to greenhouse effect by adding in greenhouse gases and warming the planet. To specify the relative contributions of each and say "well water vapor is the biggest culprit! We only release tiny amounts of CO2 relative to water vapor, so it's really not our fault!" is irresponsible.

You might, however, find this interesting:
http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB10001424052970204257504577150812451167538-lMyQjAxMTAyMDIwNDEyNDQyWj.html?mod=wsj_share_email

Definitely a different take on the issue at large, but again, the argument here isn't whether or not global warming is happening (it is) but rather what it all means.

Fox and Friends on the SpongeBob Conspiracy

residue says...

Cripes... Uninterpreted data shows a warming since early 1900s... To say the earth isn't slowly warming is ignoring the data entirely..

Air:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cmb-faq/anomalies.php
Ocean:
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v465/n7296/fig_tab/nature09043_F1.html
(From: Lyman, J.M., Good, S.A., Gouretski, V.V., Ishii, M., Johnson, G.C., Palmer, M.D.,
Smith, D.M., and Willis, J.K., Robust warming of the global upper ocean: Nature,
v. 465, p. 334-337.)

The only real thing debated (or that should be debated) is why it's warming up. we've got 2 basic reasons: it's because of human interaction or it's because of natural processes (hey the earth has been WAY warmer than it is now several times - http://www.scotese.com/climate.htm)

Go check out a graph of CO2 emissions sometime, though, and tell me there isn't a correlation between greenhouse gas emissions and global warming. Hell of a coincidence, especially considering how gradual natural temperature fluctuations are and how sudden this particular change is.

http://www.usgcrp.gov/usgcrp//Library/nationalassessment/LargerImages/OverviewGraphics/1000YrRecords.jpg

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hpqp says...

You're welcome! I liked the Palmer cover but did not find it particularly awe-inspiring (perhaps I've seen too many Radiohead covers like that). Thanks for the Gallifrey link, not only did I discover a beautiful piece of cinema music, but now am tempted to watch Doctor Who... (wait, should I really be thanking you for that? )

In reply to this comment by oritteropo:
Thanks for the quality

I might have one or two others for your playlist, although I'm a little concerned that you might think they belong in "covers that hurt your ears", or covers that scream "what were they thinking!!!"?

http://videosift.com/video/Amanda-Palmer-Fake-plastic-trees
http://videosift.com/video/This-Is-The-Kit-Jealous-Guy
http://videosift.com/video/Nouvelle-Vague-Just-Can-t-Get-Enough
http://videosift.com/video/This-Is-Gallifrey-Murray-Gold-Piano-Cover

In reply to this comment by hpqp:
This is truly beautiful. Double props for reinterpreting one of the most covered/remixed songs in recent music history and being so awesome at it.

The quality of this video has given me an idea for a playlist: http://videosift.com/playlists/hpqp/Awe-inspiring-covers

hpqp (Member Profile)

oritteropo says...

Thanks for the quality

I might have one or two others for your playlist, although I'm a little concerned that you might think they belong in "covers that hurt your ears", or covers that scream "what were they thinking!!!"?

http://videosift.com/video/Amanda-Palmer-Fake-plastic-trees
http://videosift.com/video/This-Is-The-Kit-Jealous-Guy
http://videosift.com/video/Nouvelle-Vague-Just-Can-t-Get-Enough
http://videosift.com/video/This-Is-Gallifrey-Murray-Gold-Piano-Cover

In reply to this comment by hpqp:
This is truly beautiful. Double props for reinterpreting one of the most covered/remixed songs in recent music history and being so awesome at it.

The quality of this video has given me an idea for a playlist: http://videosift.com/playlists/hpqp/Awe-inspiring-covers

Anyone up for a Los Angeles Sift Up? (Sift Talk Post)

ant says...

>> ^Issykitty:

They have other things to drink there, I'm sure @ant. Chocolate milk, sodas, water, water with ice, water without ice, water with lemon, iced tea, orange juice, apple juice, tomato juice, lemonade, club soda, virgin fruit drinks, iced tea/ lemonades (also known as arnold palmers), cherry cokes, shirley temples...


"And then?" Yep, I just drink water with no ice since it's free and good for my body. I just can't drink too much or else I will pee. Funny, I just went to TGIF today for lunch with my old Christian friends.



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