>> ^jerryku:
I'm not surprised that so few are Republican (Einstein was a Communist, and many of Oppenheimer's relatives were, too), but I wonder how many today are Libertarian-types, since so many identify as independents?
And how many are pro-democracy? I would argue that science and democracy don't really work together well. For one thing, scientists are very smart, while the majority of the human race is probably embarrassingly foolish in their eyes. So are scientists (elite eggheads) really in favor of having the unwashed masses rule the world? I gotta wonder.
A scientist libertarian party guy makes sense to me though. Free market stuff is like a form of social darwinism. Survival of the fittest. Evolution. Science. Brutal, cold, efficient, and without any silly Bible or Quran to teach hippie whatever egalitarian "love your neighbor" principles that are in there.
A scientist fascist makes sense to me, too.
I guess a scientist Communist (which was VERY popular in the past) actually makes the least amount of sense to me. The only part that makes sense is the tenet of Communism that opposes faith in God. If high #s of scientists are not religious, then I can see the appeal of Communism. But all the other aspects of Communism, which is really based on the idea of majority rule ("The People!"), seems to go against what scientists would favor. Then again, I guess convincing the world that there was no afterlife after a nuclear world-destroying war.. would be the most important thing to do for the time being. Kinda like an Ozzymandias from The Watchmen type thing.




Maybe scientists are elite egg heads, but you know who else were also elite eggheads? Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, Orville and Wilbur Wright, Thomas Edison, Dr. Salk, Neil Armstrong. It was American eggheads that led the way to map the human genome. Nearly everyone on tonight’s shuttle launch is a science/math geek, and all but two are American. I for one am proud that my country has produced so many eggheads.

Science has done very well under democracy, and amazingly well under American democracy. In our brief history, American scientists (or at least scientists that came to and did their best work while in America [i.e. Nikola Tesla, Alexander Bell, Wernher von Braun]) have given the world the greatest number of advances in science, medicine and technology of the modern era. It makes totally sense; a free society, where ideas and information can be easily exchanged, coupled with a healthy amount of capital from the private sector to fund research is the best environment for scientific advances.

Just because a person is not religious does not mean they would automatically find communism attractive. If everyone that didn’t believe in a god were also a communist, communism would be a lot more successful than it is. I would venture to say that a disbelief in a god is more likely to happen in the above-mentioned free and open societies as opposed to one where everyone are told what to think. Communism (at least as in the form of China, Cuba, North Korea and the USSR) is not a “majority rule” government, but one where a small, self appointed, insular group at the very top controls everything. Majority rule is, however, a tenet of democracy.

>> ^Don_Juan:
Ha! BenjamanFranklin2me! Thibetan Monks melt snow around where they are sitting nude in the snow utilizing TUMO!
I, myself, having remained in a cave in the Himaliyas for two decades, studying english spelling and kundalini, being nourished exclusively through Breatharian techniques, have actually popped (without burning) a microwave package of Orville Redenbacher microwave popcorn utilizing the heat of Ki (Japanese version of Qi) radiating from the palms of my hands!!
Yes!!! It's TRUE!!!

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I don't believe in your imaginary friends.
If he can use the heat of his hands, why the foil?
Sorry sir, I don't chew your bullshit.

Ha! BenjamanFranklin2me! Thibetan Monks melt snow around where they are sitting nude in the snow utilizing TUMO!

I, myself, having remained in a cave in the Himaliyas for two decades, studying english spelling and kundalini, being nourished exclusively through Breatharian techniques, have actually popped (without burning) a microwave package of Orville Redenbacher microwave popcorn utilizing the heat of Ki (Japanese version of Qi) radiating from the palms of my hands!!

Yes!!! It's TRUE!!!

The second deadly invention from Orville Redenbacher.

The first is microwave kettle corn.

One of my favorite quotes:
Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us.
- William Orville Douglas

I don't usually snack while I'm sifting, but I do enjoy some Orville Redenbacher microwave popcorn: the movie theater butter flavor with the extra cholesterol-upping, artery-clogging meltable butter you pour over. And to go with my salties, I gotta have sweets: a pack of Twizzlers.

...and a Diet Coke.

*throws Orville Leadencrocker's Troll Kibbles®™ in qm's pen....

They were interesting shows. I’m not a big fan of these shows that make a derisive comment on the people they are interviewing and I think Louis Theroux (and Nick Broomfield in film) were the first sign of the nightmarish reality shows that were to come. However, compared to the sneering tone taken to contestants on The Apprentice, Survivor or Big Brother (whether they deserve to be sneered at for agreeing to go on such a show in the first place apart!), it is strange to be able to look back on Louis Theroux’s shows nostalgically – at least he was interviewing people the public were interested in knowing more about in the case of these When Louis Met… docs, or of cults, crazies and strange sub-cultures in his Weird Weekends programmes. I was interested by the way I was never sure whether I found Louis endearing in his curiosity or whether his naivete was an act, and I think his subjects felt the same way. I think a more important thing is to think that Louis gave his subjects ample rope with which to hang themselves!

He is a particularly good comparison to Nick Broomfield in the sense that their films are much more about their reaction to the people and places they visit than they are about the actual things they are supposedly documenting – not that their subjects are not important, but the presence of Theroux or Broomfield and their reactions are really the primary focus and makes them in a way an audience surrogate where we are exploring the situation with them (and in a more difficult way we are also being given clues of what reaction is expected of us as viewers by the way we see Broomfield and Theroux reacting). This is perhaps best shown in the Theroux documentary which follows him trying to get an interview with Michael Jackson, which he eventually doesn’t get – that infamously went to Martin Bashir – though Louis does get an outside view of the baby dangling incident.

The When Louis Met… programmes were full of pathos (the same pathos Ricky Gervais was tapping into when he had Les Dennis as a guest star in the first series of Extras), since most of the subjects were entertainers from a past television generation: the magician Paul Daniels and his assistant (and wife) Debbie McGee who had a high profile magic show in the 80s on the BBC which I remember watching. They were kind of shown up when David Copperfield became huge in America – somehow seeing the (relatively) ugly Daniels performing middling magic tricks seemed very old fashioned after seeing Copperfield walking through the Great Wall of China or making the Statue of Liberty disappear etc, and I think the BBC felt that too since they dropped the show soon afterwards despite his show still getting good ratings (and ratings the BBC would kill for today – in the tens of millions). Then the vogue for debunking magic tricks occurred which destroyed his act anyway.

I remember seeing Jimmy Savilles ‘Jim’ll Fix It’ show in the mid-80s, where kids would write with requests such as wanting to ride a monster truck or meet a celebrity etc which Jim then ‘fixed’. It is just difficult to watch the programme now in these more cynical times without a feeling of watching a dirty old man with an unhealthy interest in children which is probably why the show stopped. Not that Saville ever expressed any such interest, it is just the society has sadly become more distrustful of men and children, and there isn't the possibility of such a programme being shown now without those kind of thoughts popping into the audiences heads!

Chris Eubank, while ostensibly famous as a boxer, was only ever familiar to me from his comical television appearances, which had grown fewer over the years before this Louis documentary was made – probably as he realised that the audiences were laughing at him and his affectations rather than with him.

And I actually saw Keith Harris and Orville the Duck perform on stage in the late 80s – they were very well loved at the time, but again it was perhaps a more innocent gentle humour that didn’t really work as the world changed.

Neil and Christine Hamilton are the odd ones out from the group as they only became famous because of Neil’s accepting cash payments for asking question in Parliament in the early 90s and then being spectacularly defeated in 1997 when New Labour came to power. They were basically just opportunists hungry for publicity compared to the other participants who weren’t adverse to getting back in the limelight but had their limits. They were also minor figures by the early 2000s as well – it is just that they had much briefer fame and hadn’t done anything to be particularly proud of or to be fondly remembered for anyway! (Perhaps making them the earliest examples of people ‘famous for being famous’, ready to do anything to keep their profile in the media up)

I feel like someone watching Orville and Wilbur Wright circa 1900.
We are on the verge of great and terrible advances in humanity.

According to the captions, this isn't the first flight anyway. This is an altitude record set in 1908 in France. There are clearly two people in the cockpit, and the first flight was by Orville only.

I want my vote back.