^D'oh! Let's try that again.

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>> ^Kagenin:
>> ^cybrbeast:
Haha, donating Palin's clothes to charity. They have much use for very expensive designer clothes...

Actually, they could auction them off, bringing in potentially more money than they were originally purchased for, simply for having been worn by a walking joke.
And, my response to video is that he's fed up with Palin, and having to lay out the same tired, and all but debunked, reasons why she was chosen. He clearly didn't want her in the first place, the decision was made for him, not by him, and he probably thinks that he's going to lose because of her.


He doesn´t Think - He KNOWS he gonna lose it.

>> ^cybrbeast:
Haha, donating Palin's clothes to charity. They have much use for very expensive designer clothes...


Actually, they could auction them off, bringing in potentially more money than they were originally purchased for, simply for having been worn by a walking joke.

And, my response to video is that he's fed up with Palin, and having to lay out the same tired, and all but debunked, reasons why she was chosen. He clearly didn't want her in the first place, the decision was made for him, not by him, and he probably thinks that he's going to lose because of her.

>> ^lavoll:
he doesnt even believe it himself anymore. we are both mavericks, puuuuke.


My thoughts exactly, viewing this.

>> ^blankfist:
Republicans are left, not right. Foreign interventionism, nation-building, and larger government are leftist ideals. We have two left parties in the majority.


In the US, both parties are firmly in the authoritarian right.
See here http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2008

>> ^blankfist:
^What on god's green earth are you blathering about? How did I side with the devil? I never voted for Bush. You're some piece of work. I suppose if you cannot win a lame ass argument with the truth, you're willing to create your own truth. Brilliant.


The lame ass argument is coming from you, Blankfist.

Claiming that the neocons and the Bush administration are leftists is like claiming the sky is red.

There is no logical way to dissuade you from making that claim, other than to state that you are now using the word 'red' to indicate what everybody else in the world can see is 'blue.'

http://www.videosift.com/video/Colin-Powell-Endorses-Barack-Obama-on-Meet-The-Press

For anyone who has heard this, the answer is pretty obvious.

No a$$grav33 at rougy's gold party? How depressing.

>> ^blankfist:
^What on god's green earth are you blathering about? How did I side with the devil? I never voted for Bush. You're some piece of work. I suppose if you cannot win a lame ass argument with the truth, you're willing to create your own truth. Brilliant.

>> ^rougy:
You think that I am not inundated every fucking day by the wave of rightwing talking points?

In fairness, I think he's talking about history, not modern propaganda. It's a finer vintage of propaganda, often making you more woozy than the pisswater that emanates from the TV.

It can even lead people to become cynical libertarians posting cat-fart videos.

>> ^rougy:
Blankfist,
Your claim that both parties are "left" and in particular that the Republicans are "left" is specious at best.
I'm not getting huffy. It's just the facts, man. When you say that the Bush administration is leftist, you are flat out lying to yourself.
The Neoconservatives and their bellicose doctrine have been the bedrock of the Bush administration, and there is nothing "leftist" about it.
And, yes, I take issue with your claim that there is.
You think I can't open a page of a newspaper or walk into a room with a television and not see the likes of Fox News or George Will or Cokie Roberts, et al?
You think that I am not inundated every fucking day by the wave of rightwing talking points?
You are flat out wrong to claim that this administration in any way represents the ideals and goals of the left.


http://www.videosift.com/video/Colin-Powell-Endorses-Barack-Obama-on-Meet-The-Press#comment-549810

>> ^blankfist:
Neocons, which is what the Republican base is now, are interventionists just like Woodrow Wilson, FDR and Clinton. And I'm not making it up when I say they are left.

I didn't say you're making it up, I said you're mixing labels up to suit your own devious agenda.

It's true there's a leftist history to interventionism. I'm no fan of the Cold War-era intervention done by both parties. However, I don't think Clinton's interventions were of a piece with arming the Muhajadeen and our old friends Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.

Even so, it doesn't make interventionism a defining characteristic of the modern American political left. What non-interventionists there are in politics are all on the left, or wanking off to the idea of 3rd party victories.

Painting both parties as left is completely innaccurate, since the common usage of the term is as shorthand for Democrat and Republican -- or failing that, the people who think government can help, and the people who think it can't.

Much as you cry out that they're all part of the same big fat conspiracy to stifle the original libertarian roots of the country, calling them both left is still incorrect, even if you go with the original meaning of the term.

You have to make up a new definition for left where left = interventionist (by the by, now I have accused you of making it up).

Rather than really descending into a semantic battle, help me out with the blankfist lexicon: what words would you tolerate others using to describe the differences in philosophy between the current-day Democratic party, and current-day Republican party?

Maybe progressives and social conservatives?

I generally use good and evil, but I don't think that's commonly accepted (yet).

Back at ya, swabbie.

http://www.videosift.com/video/Colin-Powell-Endorses-Barack-Obama-on-Meet-The-Press

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In reply to this comment by rougy:
Blankfist, I've lost a lot of respect for you.

You are lying to yourself. You are ignoring reality.

Neoconservatism is based, overwhelmingly, on the teachings of Leo Strauss, and the fact that you chose to leave that name out of your definition says a lot about your honesty, or lack of it.

Does this sound left wing to you?

Strauss wrote that "just because Germany has turned to the right and has expelled us (Jews), it simply does not follow that the principles of the right are therefore to be rejected. To the contrary, only on the basis of principles of the right – fascist, authoritarian, imperial – is it possible in a dignified manner, without the ridiculous and pitiful appeal to ‘the inalienable rights of man’ to protest against the mean nonentity (Nazism).

(ibid)