Keep an eye out for how long the media runs with the PropOrNot complex before they let it quietly slip into the night. The claims made venture very far into libel terrority as it is, so it might already be too late to avoid lawsuits.

BlackAgendaReport, Counterpunch, Truthdig, Truth-Out, NakedCapitalism --- riiiiight. Max Blumenthal deconstructed it nicely over at Alternet

Wishful thinking... sounds like the this guy is making a lot of assumptions.

"...earn more than others"? No. It's Indian Americans by far.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

"... are cerebral"?
Perhaps he's not aware of the dumb as shit Hollywood comedies that come out every fucking week.

"...are doctors, lawyers etc etc."
So what. There are many Asians in the same roles. Doesn't make them liberal.

Watch any Max Blumenthal video as evidence of what is going on with their current youth. It's anything but liberal.

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from Max Blumenthal's blog:
"How did the US and Israel-funded emergency PA government of Abbas/Abed Rabbo/Erekat respond to Al Jazeera’s release of the Palestine Papers? They released a goon squad to vandalize Al Jazeera’s Ramallah office and apparently to attack the person filming the video, too."

more footage:

I am very familiar with Horowitz and his canon, and I am interpreting the above exchange in that context. I have never heard him condemn the extremism on the other side, and I have read many of his tripes encouraging it.

As for the girl, all I have to go on is that exchange.

>> ^bcglorf:

>> ^longde:
My answer: I condemn all sides of that clusterfuck. A thing that irks me about the video is not only the girl's extremism, it is Horowitz' false position of moral superiority.

>> ^bcglorf:
>> ^longde:
The only difference between this girl and her opposition is that her opposition can hold large public rallies freely espousing and rationalizing mass murder. With total impunity.
http://videosift.com/video/Max-Blumenthal-at-a-Pro-Israel-Rally-in-
New-York

Ah, here they come.
How would you have answered the question, will you condemn Hamas and Hezbollah?
Cry all you want about how unfair it is that Hamas and Hezbollah have been demonized, the fact is that they deserve it. It is telling that your kind finds opposing the extermination of all Israelis as an unacceptably pro-Israeli sentiment. That is the distinction between racists like yourself and this girl, and your opposition.


False superiority? I'm not familiar with Horowitz, but in the video he doesn't seem to be in the business of defending the excesses of the Israeli military.
Standing against those that defend Hamas and Hezbollah, or who refuse to condemn them is the moral high ground, with nothing false about it. You need people to stand up for the cause of Palestinian and Jewish civilians in the region, and that means standing against those that have sworn their life's purpose as the extermination of either.

>> ^longde:

My answer: I condemn all sides of that clusterfuck. A thing that irks me about the video is not only the girl's extremism, it is Horowitz' false position of moral superiority.

>> ^bcglorf:
>> ^longde:
The only difference between this girl and her opposition is that her opposition can hold large public rallies freely espousing and rationalizing mass murder. With total impunity.
http://videosift.com/video/Max-Blumenthal-at-a-Pro-Israel-Rally-in-
New-York

Ah, here they come.
How would you have answered the question, will you condemn Hamas and Hezbollah?
Cry all you want about how unfair it is that Hamas and Hezbollah have been demonized, the fact is that they deserve it. It is telling that your kind finds opposing the extermination of all Israelis as an unacceptably pro-Israeli sentiment. That is the distinction between racists like yourself and this girl, and your opposition.



False superiority? I'm not familiar with Horowitz, but in the video he doesn't seem to be in the business of defending the excesses of the Israeli military.

Standing against those that defend Hamas and Hezbollah, or who refuse to condemn them is the moral high ground, with nothing false about it. You need people to stand up for the cause of Palestinian and Jewish civilians in the region, and that means standing against those that have sworn their life's purpose as the extermination of either.

My answer: I condemn all sides of that clusterfuck. A thing that irks me about the video is not only the girl's extremism, it is Horowitz' false position of moral superiority.


>> ^bcglorf:

>> ^longde:
The only difference between this girl and her opposition is that her opposition can hold large public rallies freely espousing and rationalizing mass murder. With total impunity.
http://videosift.com/video/Max-Blumenthal-at-a-Pro-Israel-Rally-in-
New-York

Ah, here they come.
How would you have answered the question, will you condemn Hamas and Hezbollah?
Cry all you want about how unfair it is that Hamas and Hezbollah have been demonized, the fact is that they deserve it. It is telling that your kind finds opposing the extermination of all Israelis as an unacceptably pro-Israeli sentiment. That is the distinction between racists like yourself and this girl, and your opposition.

I define her opposition as the people on the other side using extrremism and killing to achieve their ends. Perhaps I have defined it too broadly. I certainly don't think it encapsulates all Jews or Isrealis, but I do think it includes the Israeli government and military.>> ^escape421521:

This girl's 'opposition' isn't the Israeli Government, Military, or even Pro-Israeli groups. Her opposition is every single Jew currently living. She did not say "Israel shouldn't exist" (a debatable point.) "Israel should stop expansion," (a point which I agree with) or even "Israel should stop use of excessive military force." (Debatable.)
My issue with the girl (and your point) is that her argument isn't "Israel is wrong," but that "Judaism should not exist."
Jews and Muslims aren't the problem. Neither are those people who call themselves Israelis, Palestinians or anything else.
>> ^longde:
The only difference between this girl and her opposition is that her opposition can hold large public rallies freely espousing and rationalizing mass murder. With total impunity.
http://videosift.com/video/Max-Blumenthal-at-a-Pro-Israel-Rally-in-
New-York

I think you're putting words in my mouth. When did I talk about Jews or imply what this young woman said was right?

I am simply pointing out how much extremism that we, including Horowitz, are willing to ignore or rationalize.

>> ^escape421521:

You're oversimplifying. I'm an American born Jew, I don't support many of Israel's policies and will openly criticize them.. One does not have to support Israel to be a Jew in the same way one does not have to support Hamas and Hezbollah to be a Muslim.
Horowitz understands the distinction.
Her question and Horowitz's response were directly related to that idea. Your comment ignores it completely.
>> ^longde:
The only difference between this girl and her opposition is that her opposition can hold large public rallies freely espousing and rationalizing mass murder. With total impunity.
http://videosift.com/video/Max-Blumenthal-at-a-Pro-Israel-Rally-in-
New-York

I think she is extremist, no doubt. I just want to highlight how much extremism we are willing to tolerate.

And, I have said nothing about all Jews. I think you are reading alot into what I wrote.

>> ^ponceleon:

>> ^longde:
The only difference between this girl and her opposition is that her opposition can hold large public rallies freely espousing and rationalizing mass murder. With total impunity.
http://videosift.com/video/Max-Blumenthal-at-a-Pro-Israel-Rally-in-
New-York

Look, don't get me wrong, I am definitely not a fan of Israel, but two wrongs don't make a right. This "moderate" muslim just agreed that rounding up all jews for extermination is a good idea.
Not all jews support Israel or what they do in their poached territories (I sure as hell don't). That said, when someone just knee-jerk says that rounding me up because of what ethnic group I was born into is a good idea, they become an extremist in my eyes and aren't worth shit.

>> ^longde:

The only difference between this girl and her opposition is that her opposition can hold large public rallies freely espousing and rationalizing mass murder. With total impunity.
http://videosift.com/video/Max-Blumenthal-at-a-Pro-Israel-Rally-in-
New-York


Ah, here they come.

How would you have answered the question, will you condemn Hamas and Hezbollah?

Cry all you want about how unfair it is that Hamas and Hezbollah have been demonized, the fact is that they deserve it. It is telling that your kind finds opposing the extermination of all Israelis as an unacceptably pro-Israeli sentiment. That is the distinction between racists like yourself and this girl, and your opposition.

This girl's 'opposition' isn't the Israeli Government, Military, or even Pro-Israeli groups. Her opposition is every single Jew currently living. She did not say "Israel shouldn't exist" (a debatable point.) "Israel should stop expansion," (a point which I agree with) or even "Israel should stop use of excessive military force." (Debatable.)


My issue with the girl (and your point) is that her argument isn't "Israel is wrong," but that "Judaism should not exist."
Jews and Muslims aren't the problem. Neither are those people who call themselves Israelis, Palestinians or anything else.

>> ^longde:

The only difference between this girl and her opposition is that her opposition can hold large public rallies freely espousing and rationalizing mass murder. With total impunity.
http://videosift.com/video/Max-Blumenthal-at-a-Pro-Israel-Rally-in-
New-York

You're oversimplifying. I'm an American born Jew, I don't support many of Israel's policies and will openly criticize them.. One does not have to support Israel to be a Jew in the same way one does not have to support Hamas and Hezbollah to be a Muslim.
Horowitz understands the distinction.


Her question and Horowitz's response were directly related to that idea. Your comment ignores it completely.

>> ^longde:

The only difference between this girl and her opposition is that her opposition can hold large public rallies freely espousing and rationalizing mass murder. With total impunity.
http://videosift.com/video/Max-Blumenthal-at-a-Pro-Israel-Rally-in-
New-York

>> ^longde:

The only difference between this girl and her opposition is that her opposition can hold large public rallies freely espousing and rationalizing mass murder. With total impunity.
http://videosift.com/video/Max-Blumenthal-at-a-Pro-Israel-Rally-in-
New-York


Look, don't get me wrong, I am definitely not a fan of Israel, but two wrongs don't make a right. This "moderate" muslim just agreed that rounding up all jews for extermination is a good idea.

Not all jews support Israel or what they do in their poached territories (I sure as hell don't). That said, when someone just knee-jerk says that rounding me up because of what ethnic group I was born into is a good idea, they become an extremist in my eyes and aren't worth shit.