@Jinx

I am a bit confused. Earlier you used the word "conned" to describe the game, now you say it's not a hoax.

Aside from that, you certainly have voiced legitimate concerns. I'm also sick and tired of the usual pre-order business model. I decided that after playing the utter mess that was the Halo: Master Chief Collection for Xbox that I would never pre-order a game again. It's one thing to buy a game on day one, but yeah, in the usual sense, pre-orders need to die.

Thing is though...this is a kickstarter, thus the rules are different, by it's very nature, you HAVE to sell promises and pre-orders, or at the very least, contribution promises/swag/perks/etc. It's an alternative to going to a publisher and begging them for money to make the game and risk having the publisher exert creative control over the game/product/etc and whatever other compromises a publisher might force a developer to make. How many games have been utter shite because the publisher meddled and forced a game out before it was ready. Too many.

With kickstarters, it's the other way around. Backers demand that a game not be released before it's ready, but now the hype train has to start chugging along WAY earlier than a publisher-backed game in order to generate interest, because now the publishers are the backers and this is happening long before a game even gets to an alpha stage.

There is a risk with any kickstarter. If it was anyone other than Chris Roberts, I doubt I would have backed it. I backed the Shadowrun games mainly because it was being run by the guy who created the game originally and that turned out to be successful...twice. I'll be going for the hat-trick with the Battletech game they're working on now. Chris Roberts and Jordan Weisman both have solid reputations and have demonstrated they can make solid games. If it was Derek Smart or someone relatively unknown, I doubt I would have backed.

I find it interesting how the detractors are coming from various levels. Some of the detractors seem to be against kickstarters in general. Some seem to be against SC specifically and I think others are simply against it just because they want to see something ambitious crash and burn....and then there's Derek Smart who seems to have a personal, unhinged, vendetta against Chris Roberts.

Regardless of how successful SC will or won't be. SC is still a niche game by the very fact that it's a space sim. Even if it is a complete and total success, it's going to be a very complex game with a crazy amount of information to absorb and it will be difficult to be good at it. It is not for the casual gamer. So it will never reach mass appeal or become a widely recognized franchise like, say, Halo or Call of Duty. I think that is part of the appeal. A couple decades ago, publishers as a whole gave space sims the middle finger, but now thanks to crowdfunding, space sims are making a comeback.

Roberts has clearly tapped into something or people wouldn't be giving him money. He originally only asked for 2 million dollars, so even he didn't think it was going to be this big. (Europe is going absolutely bonkers for Space Citizen, they're way more into SC than we are in America)

Thank god. I thought it said "Master Chief" and you know, that plot twist pretty much kills my interest in ever playing Halo again.

I liked the Master Chief, plus some others bits were good.

I wanted Master Chief to break into those interviews and show the new melee attacks.

Call Master Chief!

Man I was really enjoying that vision until I read what it is.

http://forgetomori.com/2009/ufos/ufo-photos/vortex-ufo-over-kings-dominion/

>> ^spawnflagger:
can someone give the whole list, along with what game the character is from?


Solid Snake - Metal Gear Solid series
Mushroom - Mario series
Alucard - Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
Goombah - Mario series
Sonic
Yoshi - Mario series
Mega Man
Pikachu - Pokemon series
Kratos - God of War series
Link - Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker / Phantom Hourglass
Cloud - Final Fantasy VII & spinoffs
can't make this one out
Samus Aran - Metroid series
Kirby - Kirby series
Donkey Kong
Big Daddy - BioShock
Master Chief - Halo series
Triforce - mystical object from Zelda games
Dante - Devil May Cry series
Sackboy - Little Big Planet

Call the Po-lice someone just shot Master Chief!

In reply to this comment by swampgirl:
My son absolutely loves this. He laughed when the boy was doing the glitchy up and down movements. I guess you can make master chief do silly things.

That wasn't "glitchy" up and down movements. That was the kid doing the Teabagging move you can do when the Master Chief Ducks and Stands Up really quickly. Um... you know what tea bagging is right?

I think your son likes the raunchy stuff about Halo.

My son absolutely loves this. He laughed when the boy was doing the glitchy up and down movements. I guess you can make master chief do silly things.

>> ^Raigen:
And I enjoy those books quite a lot. Not so much "The Flood" as it's just the first game's story, but "The Fall of Reach" and "Ghosts of Onyx" are great.


I was being sarcastic. A game does not have back story just because it's in a novel somewhere. Another reason I loathe Halo.

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You sir, know your Halo.

In reply to this comment by Shepppard:
/sigh, do i seriously SERIOUSLY have to prove my nerdliness?

Alright, Master Chief A.K.A. John, taken as a child, raised for military, in his teens he and the other spartans were injected with controversial enhancements, those who made it would have incredible strength, stamina, bones that would nearly never break, and were made into super soldiers in the first place.

later on in I believe their twenties, they came out with the Mjonlir mark I.
The suit at the time did not have shields, only technology to enhance human performance (Running, jumping, lifting) which when tested on a regular human was so powerful and fast that just snapping a salute shattered his arm.

Later on, the suits were upgraded with shields once jackal shield technology was captured on the battlefield all the while improving the Mjonlirs capabilities, and by the time halo 2 rolled around, they were up to I believe Mjonlir Mark V.

Now, take all that into consideration, and realise the only think he ever dual weilds are pistols, alien weapons, and sub machine guns. Now, correct me if i'm wrong, but half the SMG's we can use now (Usi, Skorpion, ect) are small enough that they COULD actually be dual weilded and used...well, in some cases effectively.

So keeping that in mind, and the fact that halo takes place in the year 2517 onward, i'm sure there would have been vast advances in the sub-machine gun technology, making them lighter and more user friendly.

Now, i'm done. and yes, I am potentially the biggest nerd on the planet.

Dear lord. The only reason I used that title is because I hate Halo.

Also: "Master Chief" = master Chief petty officer in the Navy or Master Chief Sergeant in the Air Force. Isn't that guy supposed to be a Marine?

/sigh, do i seriously SERIOUSLY have to prove my nerdliness?

Alright, Master Chief A.K.A. John, taken as a child, raised for military, in his teens he and the other spartans were injected with controversial enhancements, those who made it would have incredible strength, stamina, bones that would nearly never break, and were made into super soldiers in the first place.

later on in I believe their twenties, they came out with the Mjonlir mark I.
The suit at the time did not have shields, only technology to enhance human performance (Running, jumping, lifting) which when tested on a regular human was so powerful and fast that just snapping a salute shattered his arm.

Later on, the suits were upgraded with shields once jackal shield technology was captured on the battlefield all the while improving the Mjonlirs capabilities, and by the time halo 2 rolled around, they were up to I believe Mjonlir Mark V.

Now, take all that into consideration, and realise the only think he ever dual weilds are pistols, alien weapons, and sub machine guns. Now, correct me if i'm wrong, but half the SMG's we can use now (Usi, Skorpion, ect) are small enough that they COULD actually be dual weilded and used...well, in some cases effectively.

So keeping that in mind, and the fact that halo takes place in the year 2517 onward, i'm sure there would have been vast advances in the sub-machine gun technology, making them lighter and more user friendly.

Now, i'm done. and yes, I am potentially the biggest nerd on the planet.

That's what I hate about Halo... it's soooo unrealistic, it's like, also, don't you notice that Master Chief NEVER has to go to the bathroom. He runs around from ring world to ring world and you never see the guy hunch over and drop a deuce. Does he have some kind of colostomy container somewhere in his armor. Ewwwww.....

Well master chief IS a super human clone...Not a regular human

DUH