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DMT Enigma

shagen454 says...

Yeah, I mean I've done it all sorts of different ways except IV'ing. I refuse to IV anything unless under medical supervision

Honestly, I think nasally just is not going to be beneficial which exactly like you said is the result of pinwheels & confusion. Plus, a burning nose.

Orally, you are going to want to make sure you are using a MAOI that you are comfortable with already so that the MAOI vs. DMT effect is somewhat understood.
Then obviously, dosage is everything. If you don't know how much you did, you may have only had a very sub experience. Which is when it seems like LSD... that is when you know you just need more because you are no where close yet.

These states I would say aren't really even "sub-breakthroughs" and approach a level similar to other psychedelics. I would NEVER recommend a breakthrough dose because it is not "confusing" as to what is going on. It's wildly real when you are "there".

How much did you smoke? And what kind of tool did you smoke it out of? There is definitely a "mystical" state in there you just have to do enough. I was apprehensive as well until I stopped saying it was bullshit and did it myself whilst taking heed to all of the information I had gathered over the years on the topic. I am flabbergasted to this day and anyone else who has "received the message" knows what I am talking about.

AeroMechanical said:

At the time, the fashion amongst people using it was smoking, nasal or sublingual. I suspect these people that used it may have had a different experience with better preparation, but exploding pinwheels and confusion was typical.

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Jerykk says...

1) The problem is that the U.S. is so large that even a single state is often larger than entire European countries. As such, there's a large amount of income and crime disparity between states. Michigan, for example, has a high crime rate because it contains Detroit, which would qualify as a third-world country by most standards. Other states have significantly lower crime rates. Just as in Russia, some regions are far more prosperous (and safe) than others.

For example, Minnesota has a comparable population to Norway. As of 2012, it had a murder rate of 1.8, which is admittedly higher than that of Norway. However, Louisiana had a murder rate of 10.8 and actually has a smaller population than either of the aforementioned regions. The murder rates per state ranged from 1.1 to 10.8. That's a huge range in this context. Both states are part of the U.S. If the U.S. only consisted of one state, the murder rates would be radically different based on which state it was. That's the inherent problem with comparing small countries to the U.S. The sample size of the European countries is so small that you can't derive any meaningful data for comparison.

2/3) A large amount of violence is the result of drugs. Either people committing crimes to obtain drugs, people committing crimes because they are on drugs or cartels committing crimes to distribute drugs and maintain their stranglehold on the market. Would legalizing narcotics alleviate these issues? Maybe. They might also cause a rise in other issues, like traffic accidents. Alcohol already causes an absurd amount of lethal and non-lethal accidents on the road and no doubt legally-obtainable PCP, cocaine, heroin, meth, LSD, etc, would only exacerbate that.

RedSky said:

1) Northern Europe is the closest comparison income wise to the US besides Japan which is culturally very different. I don't think it's unreasonable to aggregate these countries in comparing. There isn't going to be a perfect example, but Russia is very far from it.

Your argument about the death penalty is a null point because what you're proposing is impractical and thus not worth debating.

2) & 3) Greenland has a GDP per capita of 22K and is a highly idiosyncratic example given its population density. I think that's pretty much self evident. If Greenland is your best example I think I've proven my point.

I have no doubt that greater surveillance and enforcement will reduce crime rates. I'm not disputing that. Technology will naturally improve this through the likes of ever improving facial recognition. But I don't think a UK style CCTV policing system would be affordable given that the US is less densely populated in cities. As for enforcement, I don't think there's been a lack of money thrown in that direction. The issue, as this video points out, is more that if it was targeted at violent rather than drug offenders the overall benefit to society would be greater. There I would not disagree.

4)

Germany and the Netherlands are other examples where it has worked:

http://www.takepart.com/article/2013/11/14/some-european-prisons-are-shrinking-and-closing-what-can-america-learn

What you're proposing (visa vi death penalty) is something no democratic country has accepted (or will, I think). What I propose is at least accepted by to a large extent by many European developed countries. The US may shift eventually if it is recognised the current policies have been consistently failing.

5)

Yes there are many reasons why Venezuela is not a fair example. I think you make my point. Surveillance and enforcement are both necessary to reduce crime. Of course if you pick countries distinctly lacking in them then it supports your case.

But I'm arguing about which would be better given the baseline of current US policy. I think you would agree that both surveillance and enforcement are of a much higher standard in the US, with largely meritocratic and corruption free police forces. If that's the case then other developed countries, with roughly similar incomes and therefore tax revenues to afford comparable police force standards are a good reference. Venezuela is not.

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Jerykk says...

How do you define "small" when it comes to narcotics? If I have a pound of cocaine, is that small? What about meth? PCP? LSD? Heroin? Narcotics are banned because they are harmful. Not just to yourself but to others. They are also addictive. Do you really think a junkie will be satiated by the small portions allowed by your proposed law? Nope. They'll always be looking for more and will do anything to get it. That's why drug-dealing is such a profitable business. A better solution is execution. If you're convicted of possession or abuse (no trial necessary if there's irrefutable evidence), you're dead. No further expenses beyond the execution (via cow puncher or some other cost-effective means) and body disposal (incineration seems most efficient). Zero chance of relapse.

As for money, sure, we could cut military funding. That would give us some money, though most of it would go towards rehabilitating criminals and paying off our numerous debts. We could increase taxes on the rich, even though they already pay the majority of taxes in the country. We could increase taxes for everyone, which we would inevitably need to do if we want top-quality education and healthcare for everyone.

As to your other points, we already have free healthcare. Well, relatively free in the form of Obamacare. We already have free education too. Public schools are free and available in almost every city. Said schools already offer sex education as well. The issue isn't really about education. Any dunce knows that having unprotected sex will result in babies. The problem is apathy. Some people just don't care. They don't think in the long-term. They don't plan ahead. They don't consider the long-term repercussions of their actions. All they care about is the here and now. It's not hard to find a condom. It's much harder to convince an apathetic and irresponsible person to actually wear it. You can tell them about the risks but if they don't think the condom is comfortable or convenient, they won't wear it. On the other hand, put a gun to their head and they'll definitely wear it.

SDGundamX said:

@Jerykk You're trolling (and you're doing a great job of it actually) but I know a lot of people who actually believe what you wrote here so I'd like to address it.

First, if you're going to make possession a crime, you're making all addicts into criminals and guaranteeing they're not going to get the medical help they need thanks to our privatized prison system. The answer here is obvious--stop making possession of small amounts of narcotics a crime.

Second, there is PLENTY of money to go around. Let's start with the U.S. military budget. How much has been spent on the F-35 again, a warplane which has been in development for over 10 years and still can't actually fly without potentially blowing itself out the sky? Or how about we actually tax corporations instead of giving them an effective 0% tax rate and allowing them to shelter all their money offshore? Or maybe we could raise taxes on the top 1% earners in the country instead of reducing them by 37% like we have over the past 10 years.

In any event, the money is there, but what do we do with it? Well, we could create a nationalized health care system for starters and finally and truly ensure that everyone has access to affordable health care. We could also make education free up to at least the high school level and institute some national standards (in terms of equipment, staffing, and facilities) that reduces the inequality in schooling that currently exists. And since you're worried about all those people having babies maybe we could distribute free birth control and teach people (in the now free schools) about family planning?

What do you think?

Marijuana vs. Alcohol

MrFisk says...

I interviewed the head of NORML a few years back for an op-ed I wrote. And while I was unable to use any of the information he provided at the time, he said that one of the first things Congress did was to exempt alcohol and tobacco from the Controlled Substances Act. Afterword, it didn't take much to vilify marijuana alongside heroin and LSD.

Marijuana vs. Alcohol

RFlagg says...

I honestly don't get how it can be schedule i. While I'd move it off the schedules all together (or create a schedule vi and toss in alcohol and tobacco with it, call it substances that can be taxed and controlled at the federal level, with each state and local districts being allowed to ban or add additional controls on them, such as the federal mandate to be 21 to buy alcohol despite not being on any schedule, schedule vi would seek to codify that) I think I'd move meth to schedule i, despite the ingredients being lower level schedules, and I'd probably move LSD from schedule i to ii or iii... probably ii.

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silvercord says...

CIA LSD video is fixed

Tenstring said:

I can't get this to play -- I know it's a great video, but this is the only place I've been able to find it now. Can anyone help me out.

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chingalera says...

How about a combined fronts approach: Air-drops of cross-dressers and male dancers with Amazon drones delivering micro-stills and kobe beef to every family with enlisted offspring?? Include pamphlets laced with LSD with over-sized head caricatures of Putin-on-Obama porn.

Jerry Garcia on The Acid Tests

chingalera says...

I'm happy to have missed the 60s and experienced the 90s there-Same good LSD, and no hippie-infestation! OH, and the Dead's last show in Oakland...lived in SF & MISSED IT!! (pats own back)

StukaFox said:

Thank you for posting this. It hurts my soul that I was born too late to experience the Bay Area in the 60's.

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probie says...

I have to support anything that gets rid of that shitty, LSD-warping software that most cameras use for image stabilization nowadays. Mini Steadi-Cam FTW.

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shagen454 says...

Jesus H Christ man.

If you can imagine this. Maybe you cannot because you lack any psychedelic experience. You take twenty sugar cubes of LSD. It comes on quick because you are taking a heroic dose,so in maybe ten minutes you feel it. Say you did that? You would trip HARD for a couple days maybe. Maybe a week. You would never get anywhere close to where DMT takes a person on one toke, in ten minutes. LSD is also a tryptamine like DMT, in fact LSD is a much more complex tryptamine.

So, you tell me. Why is it that after that first toke it takes seconds to pass the blood/brain barrier like sugar? Seems to me, that there is a neurological function for this experience, which would also cater to the fact of why it is so heavy. Forget the fact that you are going to feel like you are dead, that you have literally been killed, maybe that is what makes it spiritual; we live in a reductionist society as you clearly believe. Forget all of that. Why is it that this molecule is so far and beyond the other tryptamines, that one instantly goes into a trance? That is first and foremost. After scientists figure out that one, then they might be intrigued by the fact that the imagery is otherwordly, the sound are otherwordly that the experience is otherworldly. Again, no one knows why or how. But, for you. YOU SHOULD JUST SHUT UP AND DO IT

BicycleRepairMan said:

You may love science, but its little more than lip-service unless you actually take into account what science tells us before plunging into some spiritual nonsense about mother earth or whatever speaking to you when you're tripping.

I do not understand, or assume that anyone understand, all of our biological behaviors, nor exactly how they evolved. But that's my point about my car analogy: I don't know how a modern Lexus is made either, nor am I intimately familiar with the history/evolutions of car-designs in these last 100+ years or so. But, I can still confidently, perhaps arrogantly, claim that I'm pretty damn sure no magic was involved. Because that's not how car production works.

The same thing can be said for biological evolution, there was no involvement by a spiritual goddess that stepped in an made consciousness, that makes no sense, there's no evidence, and its likely to be nonsense for just so, so many reasons.



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