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Dane Cook Jokes About The Aurora Shootings (audio only)

Bruti79 says...

That's a terrible joke and in bad taste. Like Daniel Tosh, though, he has the right to say it and everything (to me at least,) is open game for comedians.

You just don't have to stick around and listen to them. Personally, I would have heckled that one though.

Rape in Comedy: Why it can be an exception (Femme Talk Post)

hpqp says...

Damn, I forgot to tick the "email me when comments" box and missed out on half the discussion I started

One strawman needs to be definitely burnt right now, and it's the whole "offended" thing: nowhere did I argue that a comedian (or anyone) has no right to be offensive, and @Ryjkyj is right to say that everything is offensive to someone. I agree with Steve Hughes about offensiveness. Another strawman is the whole "waaah you're attacking my free speech!" clause that is often bandied about by those who have the worst things to say (e.g. WBC or the MRA-holes on the web). Nobody's saying you shouldn't be allowed to say horrible and/or offensive things, but you should be condemned (morally and socially, not legally) for doing so, especially when what you say borders on threatening (just as an aside, @shuac, for all your 1st amendment wonderfulness in the US I'm pretty sure there are exceptions, e.g. threatening someone or, you know, yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre ).
I agree that heckling is a huge no-no, and I agree that Tosh had the right (nay, obligation) to shut her up, but the way he did it seems to say something pretty terrible about his mindset. Had it been Louis CK on stage he probably would've retorted with a hilarious rape joke, proving the woman wrong without resorting to base intimidation.

(As for the term "rape culture", it is a controversial concept in feminism that I only partly agree with; it would be more accurate to call it "violence against women culture", but you can see why they chose the short and shocking title.)

Rape in Comedy: Why it can be an exception (Femme Talk Post)

Sotto_Voce says...

@Ryjkyj,

I don't get what or who you're objecting to here. Look, I'm with you that we shouldn't be policing thoughts, but I don't see anyone advocating that. Nobody has suggested that Tosh be legally banned from making rape jokes. What happened is that the woman heckled (which I agree she shouldn't have done), Tosh responded in a way that many people consider extremely assholish and some people consider threatening (and words can be threatening without being direct threats). The woman's friend blogged about it, not with the intention of getting Congress to pass a bill against joking about rape, but with the intention of publicizing the fact that Tosh is a douchecanoe. Surely having that information out there is a good thing. This way, people who don't want to support this kind of thing know that they should avoid Tosh shows. Nobody is preventing people who don't mind the joke from attending Tosh shows in the future. In addition, a number of people think Tosh owes the woman a sincere apology, but again no one is saying that he should be forced to apologize. People are saying that if he were a decent human being he would apologize.

What exactly in this chain of events do you find so objectionable (besides the initial heckling)? Where is the thought policing here? I feel like I'm in Bizarro world sometime when I'm discussing these things. I'll say something like "That joke was racist and not cool at all" and people will respond with "Don't you respect free speech? Do you want there to be a thought police? What about the First Amendment?" That sort of response just seems like a complete non sequitur.

Rape in Comedy: Why it can be an exception (Femme Talk Post)

gwiz665 says...

You can make jokes about anything, but some jokes just fall flat. Happens to everyone. Most everyone knows that "wouldn't it be funny if you were raped by like 5 guys right now" is a bad joke, but on the spot, anyone could make a bad joke when heckled.

Let's just get back to killing the jews and getting women back in the kitchen and move on.

Rape and Retards: Doug Stanhope talks Daniel Tosh

Sotto_Voce says...

@vaire2ube, I'm glad you brought up Patrice O'Neal, because he is a perfect example of the disingenuousness of the "It's just comedy, folks" defense. There is plenty of evidence that O'Neal was a bona fide misogynist, with genuinely toxic views about women. But because he usually expressed those views humorously, any criticism was met with something like "God, can't you take a joke, you humorless feminazi?"

I'm sorry, but that's bullshit. Hateful views don't get a pass just because they're followed by a punchline. Good (and even some not-so-good) comedians don't just tell jokes, they convey ideas, and those ideas should be subject to scrutiny just as they would be if they came from Rachel Maddow or Charles Krauthammer. To treat comedy otherwise, to treat it as if it is just light entertainment that shouldn't be taken seriously, is to trivialize it. And the trivialization of comedy is precisely what the greats -- Bruce, Pryor, Carlin -- fought against. To anyone who loves the artform of comedy, the phrase "just a joke" should be anathema.

Patrice O'Neal was a very funny man, but he was also a bigot. His funniness does not excuse his bigotry in the slightest. And Tosh doesn't even have that figleaf. His act is shot through with causal misogyny and disregard for the valid concerns of rape victims. Look, that woman shouldn't have heckled him in the middle of the act. But his response was hugely dickish. Especially given the fact that she had just voiced strong sentiments against rape jokes, which in the mind of most considerate human beings would have triggered a little alarm to the effect of "Maybe she reacts so strongly to rape jokes because she is a rape victim."

Rape and Retards: Doug Stanhope talks Daniel Tosh

budzos says...

This is such a load of horseshit. The truth is that Tosh was asking the audience to suggest joke topics. Someone suggested rape and that's when he made the comment that sure, because rape jokes are always funny (if it's not obviuos, he was implying that they are not always funny). Then this dimbulb broad gets up and heckles the comedian because she can't recognize sarcasm and thinks her personal experience is more important than everyone else's. I feel no pity for her. She's a narcissistic twat. I don't hope she gets raped. But I sure hope she has to endure a life full of rape jokes.

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Jimmy Carr and the Heckling Amnesty

Jimmy Carr and the Heckling Amnesty

Occupy Sesame Street!

Cop beats guy in face for no reason at OccupySF

vaire2ube says...

that was trippy... as they start mass tackling, a giant "i love you" sign runs by in the background 2:17 .. and i do believe i heard the first Tony Bologna heckle around 3:10!

Ron Paul: Corporations Are NOT People

Romney: Corporations Are People, My Friend.

Quill42 says...

>> ^Mikus_Aurelius:

Any idea what the context is?
If it's tax policy, Romney has a point. Taxing a corporation is the same as taxing its shareholders and customers. It would be interesting to see republican voters thinking seriously about who is actually going to pay for fixing our national finances. Unfortunately they're likely to come to the same conclusion as the populists: "not me."


I could be mistaken, but in the full exchange I think he was saying that Democrats want to "raise people's taxes" and someone in the audience heckles "not people, corporations, corporations" then he responds with what's shown in this clip. Only saw the full segment once though, so I'm probably paraphrasing a bit.

Anyway, if people own corporations, but corporations have the Constitutional rights of people, isn't that slavery? Maybe Romney could free them and be the next Lincoln. We'll look back at oppressive shareholders in the same way we now view southern plantation owners.

Dave Chappelle Bombs On Stage

cito says...

He didn't really bomb

he told a few jokes then noticed people were recording him on cellphones and camcorders and he asked them to be turned off, they refused, he said he wasn't going to do his stuff until they shut off the camcorders. Of course they didn't, then a few were heckling him for smoking when they werent allowed to smoke so he cracked a few jokes. Then he basically just stood there "if they going to record, I'll just stand my black ass right here for them ha ha"

so he basically punished the crowd cause he didn't like people recording him. He does that at all his new shows since his "mental breakdown" anyone recording him he will stop the show.



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