Looks like @kceaton1's getting serious.

You may not speak out but i've decided to. If anyone is concerned about the seemingly unfair statements i make about shinyblurry then my comment section can show the proof. I have engaged him in discussion a number of times of science/theism, and the results are poor. He doesn't offer you the same respect he expects you to give him, i find him egotistical and obnoxious and completely uninterested in serious discussion. Read my discussions with him if you don't believe that - there's proof which is the test of any theory as we all know.

People like shinyblurry don't even realise that their zealotism drives people away from the religion.

Let me make a statement regarding the big bang theory. Firstly, all scientific theories are put in place to explain the facts. A theory takes everything we know, balls it up into a bunch of connections, and offers us a way of understanding that phenomenon. The big bang theory is not "complete", that is why it's still an active field of study. There are so many scientists right now trying to improve on theories that it's hard to even imagine.

You read a web page like that - almost entirely signed by scientists from the US and mostly "independent researchers"? And suddenly you think you know about the big bang. And in it one person suggests the idea that rigidly adhering to old forms is harmful to scientific advancement, but you take it to mean something else as far as i can tell - shame on you.

The big bang predicts the initial distribution of elements that we see reflected in the universe today - mostly hydrogen, a bit of helium and trace other elements. It actually predicts using only PROVEN SCIENTIFIC PRINCIPLES (that are testable to anyone on earth) what time and at what temperature different particles were able to form. From that, it predicts what chemical composition the universe has, and finds that it's in agreement. Do you even realise the significance of that? I don't think you do, your brain has been trained by religion to look for things like that and see only design. And that's also why you can't understand scientific theories. You really need to open your mind to how other people think, blurry, and i mean that with kindness.

Do you really think the big bang is so far away from the truth, in your ignorance? Have you looked at it in the kind of depth you need to to understand it? If not, i kindly ask that you stop spouting rubbish in the same way i don't go about trashing your unfounded, ungrounded theories every time you mention theism.

i didn't intend to speak out on @kceaton1's behalf, but i'm pretty sick of blurry canvassing for converts with misinformation myself. His links and statements provide nothing of substance to the argument. It doesn't matter what religion kceaton is, as a theist yourself i'm surprised you act cocky about another's choice of religion. Doesn't your religious claptrap say something like do unto other as you would have them do unto you? In my opinion under your own religion you will be going to hell for being so manipulative and insulting to others.

>> ^kceaton1:

>> ^shinyblurry:
That's quite a rant, Kceaton. Unfortunately, you cannot use the light travel time problem to falsify YEC. The SBB model also has a light travel time problem, specifically the horizon problem. Check out what some scientists published in New Scientist Magazine:
http://www.cosmologystatement.org/
I'm sorry you were indoctrinated into the Mormon church. My heart goes out to you, but you've thrown away the baby with the bathwater. It isn't too difficult to falsify the Mormon God, but neither does that make atheism the natural conclusion.
>> ^kceaton1

One:
I've known about this study since day one, does it surprise me, hahahahahaha. I think most people are morons. NO IT DOESN'T! I think we have one of the worst educations systems in the world, you may think your belief driven gospel knowledge may keep you safe, flying up there in the sky, BUT I'll take a damned engineer EVERYDAY over your damned God!
Two:
About my past. This is the THIRD time you've said this same thing. This is borderline abuse, FUCK YOU! Get off your high horse your are not an immortal moral high judge sent here to Earth to tell us what was a wrong or "sorrowful" mistake. I'm sorry, I'm being really damned aggressive right now, but I'm tired of your cockeyed charades and your imperative to make sure every Mormon that is or ever was KNOWS how "sorry" you are for them.
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I'm tired of the targeted trolling!
That also means I will never qualify your "horizon" crap with a response, because it doesn't deserve one. I know this came off rude so sorry for that, on the other hand it was suppose too.

>> ^shinyblurry:

That's quite a rant, Kceaton. Unfortunately, you cannot use the light travel time problem to falsify YEC. The SBB model also has a light travel time problem, specifically the horizon problem. Check out what some scientists published in New Scientist Magazine:
http://www.cosmologystatement.org/
I'm sorry you were indoctrinated into the Mormon church. My heart goes out to you, but you've thrown away the baby with the bathwater. It isn't too difficult to falsify the Mormon God, but neither does that make atheism the natural conclusion.
>> ^kceaton1


One:

I've known about this study since day one, does it surprise me, hahahahahaha. I think most people are morons. NO IT DOESN'T! I think we have one of the worst educations systems in the world, you may think your belief driven gospel knowledge may keep you safe, flying up there in the sky, BUT I'll take a damned engineer EVERYDAY over your damned God!

Two:

About my past. This is the THIRD time you've said this same thing. This is borderline abuse, FUCK YOU! Get off your high horse your are not an immortal moral high judge sent here to Earth to tell us what was a wrong or "sorrowful" mistake. I'm sorry, I'm being really damned aggressive right now, but I'm tired of your cockeyed charades and your imperative to make sure every Mormon that is or ever was KNOWS how "sorry" you are for them.

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I'm tired of the targeted trolling!

That also means I will never qualify your "horizon" crap with a response, because it doesn't deserve one. I know this came off rude so sorry for that, on the other hand it was suppose too.

Your avatar is awsome . hahahahahaha

hahahahahaha I haxxord your shit. STRIKE OUTS FOR EVERYONE

un-haxxord

hahahahahaha. Keeps double promoting wasted bandwith.

I find this funny. I AM ON BOARD ! .

hahahahahaha, what kind of over compensating money burning ass hat would drive that. Why not just cut out your exhaust as well so everyone will look at you.

>> ^kceaton1:

How utterly ridiculous this is... I can't wait when an independent panel (who apparently has to be run by a, "Person of Interest"--some elite hidden issues force, that has no way to be undercut by corruption--hahahahahaha) is created who will be using advanced PET scanning technology to select all police officers for active for duty, they'll find out all the good ol'boys are KKK members or sociopaths/psychopaths. Either it will help out a bit or more than likely become corrupted and allow them to pick EXACTLY who they want--which is even more terrifying. They already use the stupid lie detector for certain areas, so I expect to see this soon on the federal level (hell, if not already).
Is there ANY way they can take this to the federal level if there are signs of corruption? I know there isn't most likely, but when a potential crime like this is so utterly swiped clean off the slate what the hell are you supposed to do. I've personally known someone in a small town that had all their life's possessions, everything they had ever bought, owned, or saved taken away from them and not ONE person lifted a finger (I'll have to find the exact city name again, but it was in Nevada--through a business that was protected by the local police and city officials, including defending city attorneys as well--higher level police through Las Vegas said he was SOL and it was out of their jurisdiction, who TF do they think they are kidding...) This is CRAZY! Who is Zimmerman exactly to have the police put their ass on the line like this, what are we missing?
Zimmerman will get assassinated if he sees no trial mark my words.


Yeah these are the situations that cause riots when you have blatant injustice such as this. I'm just surprised this isn't getting more attention. I've only heard about it on the internet.

How utterly ridiculous this is... I can't wait when an independent panel (who apparently has to be run by a, "Person of Interest"--some elite hidden issues force, that has no way to be undercut by corruption--hahahahahaha) is created who will be using advanced PET scanning technology to select all police officers for active for duty, they'll find out all the good ol'boys are KKK members or sociopaths/psychopaths. Either it will help out a bit or more than likely become corrupted and allow them to pick EXACTLY who they want--which is even more terrifying. They already use the stupid lie detector for certain areas, so I expect to see this soon on the federal level (hell, if not already).

Is there ANY way they can take this to the federal level if there are signs of corruption? I know there isn't most likely, but when a potential crime like this is so utterly swiped clean off the slate what the hell are you supposed to do. I've personally known someone in a small town that had all their life's possessions, everything they had ever bought, owned, or saved taken away from them and not ONE person lifted a finger (I'll have to find the exact city name again, but it was in Nevada--through a business that was protected by the local police and city officials, including defending city attorneys as well--higher level police through Las Vegas said he was SOL and it was out of their jurisdiction, who TF do they think they are kidding...) This is CRAZY! Who is Zimmerman exactly to have the police put their ass on the line like this, what are we missing?

Zimmerman will get assassinated if he sees no trial mark my words.

>> ^BoneRemake:

hahahahahaha. I knew people who were just like that, they got burned for half a pound. I dont really know what happened either besides little kid grabbing his phone and running away. I hope someone got hurt badly, one person might of learned something.


Hmmm, so do you think that's someone else grabbing his camera and pegging it? If so, that'd make way more sense as to why it was uploaded.

<edit> I'm blind, didn't even see the passengers first time round.

hahahahahaha. I knew people who were just like that, they got burned for half a pound. I dont really know what happened either besides little kid grabbing his phone and running away. I hope someone got hurt badly, one person might of learned something.

Hahahahahaha, not a one.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Hahahahahaha.

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