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George Galloway Storms Out Of Debate With Israeli Student

bcglorf says...

In the video Galloway also goes on to say that he's had several Israeli citizens on his show and who he's on platform with. Galloway specifically states that he doesn't consider every Israeli citizen the problem

2:45 in Gorillaman's video, "I don't debate with Israelis", again at 8:44 and again at 11:08. Galloway only declares that his problem is not with Jewish people, he repeatedly declares that he absolutely will not debate Israeli's.

What is your response to the gorrilaman video which Galloway explains his reasoning.

My response is disgust, outrage and disbelief. Galloway declares that on principle, his boycott of Israel extends to the point of refusing to even engaging any Israeli in debate. I had hoped that much was clear, and if that point isn't agreed let me know. I don't know how Galloway could make himself any clearer but apparently some still don't hear him.

On the face of it, his position on that isn't even what I find most offensive, though I do find it so. I insist it is no different than any other nationality I've mentioned up thread. What is intolerable is Galloway's own past record.

Saddam Hussein committed genocide against his own people not once, but twice. Killing nearly a half million people across the two. George Galloway did NOT refuse to engage Saddam(let alone Iraqis) in debate. In fact, George went to Baghdad and met Saddam, telling him "Sir, I salute your courage, your strength and your indefatigability. I can honestly say when I was speaking with my comrades about coming here, each one wished me to extend their fraternal greetings and support."

Bashir al Assad is continuing on the work of his father, brutally repressing and killing his own people. Galloway again went to Damascus, to praise Syria and tell the people how lucky they were to have Assad. He even squeezed in praise for the Iraqi suicide bombers then blowing up Shia mosques and neighbourhoods.

Galloway's moral 'high' road towards Israel is revealing in the extreme when looking at his eagerness to not only engage, but actively praise other war criminals in the region.

Everything Israel Is Saying About Iran Now... We Said About

Quboid says...

>> ^bcglorf:

>> ^Quboid:
British politician and professional blow-hard 'Gorgeous' George Galloway talked about this. He's a bit of a nut, but he nails the Iran issue:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtw5Zy2M6rk&feature=player_embedded

George isn't a nut, he's a shill for whichever despotic dictator will pay him the most money to argue for their cause.
While he was a voice against the Iraq war he was also taking millions in direct donations from Saddam's oil for food scandal.
There are critics of wars who do so for good reasons, and then there are those like George who do it because the dictator being condemned is paying them handsomely to defend them out here in the west.


He's allegedly a shill, but he's definitely a nut.

Everything Israel Is Saying About Iran Now... We Said About

bcglorf says...

>> ^Quboid:

British politician and professional blow-hard 'Gorgeous' George Galloway talked about this. He's a bit of a nut, but he nails the Iran issue:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtw5Zy2M6rk&feature=player_embedded


George isn't a nut, he's a shill for whichever despotic dictator will pay him the most money to argue for their cause.

While he was a voice against the Iraq war he was also taking millions in direct donations from Saddam's oil for food scandal.

There are critics of wars who do so for good reasons, and then there are those like George who do it because the dictator being condemned is paying them handsomely to defend them out here in the west.

Everything Israel Is Saying About Iran Now... We Said About

The Immortal Rejoinders of Christopher Hitchens

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8 Must See Documentaries

bcglorf says...

Here are a few videos I would consider must sees for anyone wanting to better understand the world we are in, and the terrible choices every foreign policy maker is faced with. I suppose this would be my own, current, top 5.

Between the Mullahs and the Military:
Pakistani born journalist Ziauddin Sardar returns to his country in 2007 and reports on the state of the nation and speaks to many influential people in the country and travels to some of the most unstable and dangerous parts of it. If you care about the war in Afghanistan, you really must watch this film to appreciate it's significance.

Inside North Korea:
The sift version of this is currently dead, I'll change both links if/when it comes back.
National Geographic manages to get a film crew into the country as aides to a surgeon that was allowed to work in the country for a short time. The commentary might seem over the top to some, bordering on propaganda. As you watch the documentary you will start to realize that it isn't hyperbole and the situation in North Korea is simply so awful there are hardly words to describe it.

George Galloway and Christopher Hitchens debate Iraq:
This isn't a documentary of course, it is instead a debate between two of Britain's best debaters. They are also both people who have visited and spent time in Iraq under Saddam and seen what it was like. Galloway was even able to personally meet with Saddam in the mid 1990's. I'm not sure if this is more informative or entertaining, but it's worth your time for both reasons all on their own.

Al-Anfal Campaign:
This video accounts victim testimony's from one of the worst genocides of our time. As the Iran-Iraq war ended Saddam set out to exterminate the Kurdish population in Northern Iraq, this video provides a brief glimpse of that tragedy.

Ghosts of Rwanda:
This is the single most important video I would recommend for anyone convinced that the world would be better with zero American intervention. The absolutely horrific account of what happened in Rwanda while the entire world agreed on non-intervention is vitally important to be remembered. Be warned, it is extremely difficult to watch some of this. It is like watching a recounting of the most brutal slasher/horror film ever produced, but where the 800,000 victims were real live human beings in our own world.

George Galloway banned from Canada

rougy says...

>> ^bcglorf:
Your insistence that it was just a series of murderous rampages initiated by Zionists against friendly Arab Palestinians is what's been exposed here.


Your obdurate unwillingness to admit that Israel is at fault for anything is what is really being exposed here.

You are pro Israel, right or wrong, and that is clear as day.

George Galloway banned from Canada

qualm says...

What's clear is that George Galloway delivered humanitarian aid via an aid convoy to the Palestinians of Gaza via their elected government of Hamas. The minister Jason Kenney, and the Harper government as a whole, are neo-conservative bootlickers of the former Bush administration. They know all of this, but they are pandering to a certain constituency by taking the most mercenary reading of the events that transpired. In their world Palestinian = terrorist. Of course Galloway will be vindicated.

George Galloway banned from Canada

qualm says...

There is no way to render aid to the Palestinians in Gaza but through their elected government of Hamas.

It's so ironic that the JDL is here condemning Member of British Parliament George Galloway for delivering humanitarian aid to suffering Palestinians in Gaza, when the JDL was founded by Meir Kahane, who also founded a political party, Kach, that was eventually banned from the Knesset for being a racist party.

Remember it was Baruch Goldstein, JDL member, who perpetrated the Cave of the Patriarchs Massacre at Hebron in 1994, where 179 people were gunned down, 29 of them fatally.

George Galloway banned from Canada

bcglorf says...

>> ^qualm:
"It's the direct financial aid to Hamas president that got him barred from Canada and I'm proud my country kept the scumbag out of our country."
Liar! Galloway merely delivered a bunch of ambulances, firetrucks and medical supplies. Scumbag.


George said it himself, go read it here before calling it a lie. And for the record, George Galloway IS a proven liar.

Galloway said he personally would be donating three cars and 25,000 pounds to Hamas prime minister Ismail Haniya as he dared the West to try to prosecute him for aiding what it considers a terror group.

George Galloway banned from Canada

bcglorf says...

>> ^SpeveO:
I'm not saying that the decision the Canadian Government made was right, but addressing the larger issue that the government is selectively interpreting the law to the whims of the presently elected leadership.
If the Canadian government applied the laws that they cited in banning George Galloway consistently, George Bush should have never made it into the country either.


George Bush, for all his other crimes, didn't provide material support to an organization the Canadian government has registered as terrorists, so the laws cited to keep Galloway out do not apply to Bush. That said, the Canadian government CAN bend the rules and allow someone in that is barred entry based on the letter of the law. For Mr. Galloway, I'm glad no such arrangements where made.

George Galloway banned from Canada

bcglorf says...

>> ^Offsajdh:
^So, because Mr.Galloway happens to have a different point of view about a conflict thousands of miles from Canadas shores, and happens to be quite skilled in making good points about why he has these beliefs through debates, the constructive solution to the problem is to ban him from ever entering the country, try to supress his oppinions in anyway possible, and add to that, threaten to monitor and investigate any Canadian who would have the audacity to want to listen to what the other side has to say about the issue?


He was kept out of Canada for providing material support to a terrorist organization. He donated 30 or 40 thousand dollars of his own money directly to the president of Hamas. That is enough under Canadian law to deny a person entry to the country.

As for your description of his 'opinions', you'd do well to better educate yourself on what he has both said and done.

He opposed both Gulf wars, in itself I'm fine with that whether I disagree or not, it's nothing special. Galloway goes much, much further though, and on Saddam's annexation of Kuwait Galloway stated that he himself believed Kuwait rightly was always a part of the Iraqi motherland. I find that far more despicable, but it still pales in comparison to even worse things he has said and done. He has declared that in spite of his opposition to both Gulf wars and statements regarding Kuwait, he still has always been the only one to consistently condemn Saddam, he just doesn't support a war to remove Saddam in spite of his own contempt for Saddam. That still is a consistent position, and aught to be respected as free speech and I do. The turn to it all is that Galloway went to Iraq to visit Saddam in person after the first gulf war and greeted him with the following speech:
"Sir, I salute your courage, your strength, your indefatigability. I can honestly say that of all the people I spoke to before coming here, hoping to meet with yourself, that every one of them wished my to express to you heartfelt support and fraternal greetings."
That speech turns all his prior statements on Iraq and Saddam into a giant charade and lie in which Galloway deliberately tried to defend Saddam not out of concern for the Iraqi people, but because of his support for Saddam himself. That is beyond my contempt. And lest you only do a surface search on Galloway's defense of that speech, he to this day defends it declaring that he was addressing the Iraqi people, and not Saddam himself. The video and words he spoke make it absolutely clear though that he was addressing Saddam himself. Unfortunately a great many people are fooled into discovering that everything he's said about Saddam is a lie because they believe the additional lies he's told to hide his first.

George Galloway banned from Canada

SpeveO says...

I'm not saying that the decision the Canadian Government made was right, but addressing the larger issue that the government is selectively interpreting the law to the whims of the presently elected leadership.

If the Canadian government applied the laws that they cited in banning George Galloway consistently, George Bush should have never made it into the country either.

George Galloway banned from Canada

bcglorf says...

>> ^Offsajdh:
Ouch, I think Halloway hit a nerve at around 4.10. Just watch as Weinstein tries to look around the room in search of an answer and only manages to fall back upon some ridiculous "proxy agent of hamas" claim. It sounds so familiar to US republican tactics of making up bullshit terms whose only purpose is to be inflamatory and fear-inciting.
Watch out! Galloway is a Hamas (proxy) agent!


It's not so funny when it is in fact true.

Galloway is a skilled debater and orator, winning this debate does NOT make him right. He exerts enormous effort to rally support and defense of all manner of the worst organizations and criminals in the world.

I think it is accurate to describe a dedicated propagandist who supports Hamas both with his own finances and every word he speaks an agent for Hamas.



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