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It's seriously like Dinesh is lobbing softballs on a lot of his responses; sadly, I've seen dozens of these debates, the only ones that I felt were even were with his brother, and another with Galloway (which was brutal and loud, and occasionally too politically obscure to be interesting).

thanks man!
i have meant to watch ghosts of rwanda for a long time,and i never even heard of mullahs and the military.
ill give them a watch.
and i love galloway and hitchens sparring.the one you posted was a classic.

Here are a few videos I would consider must sees for anyone wanting to better understand the world we are in, and the terrible choices every foreign policy maker is faced with. I suppose this would be my own, current, top 5.

Between the Mullahs and the Military:
Pakistani born journalist Ziauddin Sardar returns to his country in 2007 and reports on the state of the nation and speaks to many influential people in the country and travels to some of the most unstable and dangerous parts of it. If you care about the war in Afghanistan, you really must watch this film to appreciate it's significance.

Inside North Korea:
The sift version of this is currently dead, I'll change both links if/when it comes back.
National Geographic manages to get a film crew into the country as aides to a surgeon that was allowed to work in the country for a short time. The commentary might seem over the top to some, bordering on propaganda. As you watch the documentary you will start to realize that it isn't hyperbole and the situation in North Korea is simply so awful there are hardly words to describe it.

George Galloway and Christopher Hitchens debate Iraq:
This isn't a documentary of course, it is instead a debate between two of Britain's best debaters. They are also both people who have visited and spent time in Iraq under Saddam and seen what it was like. Galloway was even able to personally meet with Saddam in the mid 1990's. I'm not sure if this is more informative or entertaining, but it's worth your time for both reasons all on their own.

Al-Anfal Campaign:
This video accounts victim testimony's from one of the worst genocides of our time. As the Iran-Iraq war ended Saddam set out to exterminate the Kurdish population in Northern Iraq, this video provides a brief glimpse of that tragedy.

Ghosts of Rwanda:
This is the single most important video I would recommend for anyone convinced that the world would be better with zero American intervention. The absolutely horrific account of what happened in Rwanda while the entire world agreed on non-intervention is vitally important to be remembered. Be warned, it is extremely difficult to watch some of this. It is like watching a recounting of the most brutal slasher/horror film ever produced, but where the 800,000 victims were real live human beings in our own world.

>> ^bcglorf:
Your insistence that it was just a series of murderous rampages initiated by Zionists against friendly Arab Palestinians is what's been exposed here.


Your obdurate unwillingness to admit that Israel is at fault for anything is what is really being exposed here.

You are pro Israel, right or wrong, and that is clear as day.

What's clear is that George Galloway delivered humanitarian aid via an aid convoy to the Palestinians of Gaza via their elected government of Hamas. The minister Jason Kenney, and the Harper government as a whole, are neo-conservative bootlickers of the former Bush administration. They know all of this, but they are pandering to a certain constituency by taking the most mercenary reading of the events that transpired. In their world Palestinian = terrorist. Of course Galloway will be vindicated.

bcglorf, you can quibble all you like. What's more telling is your deafening silence on the precious irony in having the JDL decry an outspoken member of British Parliament, on the specious charge of supporting terrorists.


specious:"having a false look of truth or genuineness"

Under Canadian law there is nothing specious about charges against Galloway of supporting a terrorist organization. Galloway openly and proudly boasts of donating 25,000 pounds and 3 cars directly to Ismail Haniya, one of the top leaders of Hamas. Hamas is clearly on Canada's list of terrorist organizations. What part of that would you consider specious exactly?


So the very individual in this video who is brazenly condemning Galloway for supporting terrorism, for supplying humanitarian aid to Gazans, is himself unable to condemn the terrorism committed in the name of his own organization.

I'm not familiar with Meir Weinstein myself, a cursory glance appears like your right about him. That doesn't change a thing about Galloway, I'm glad a guy like him is being kept out of the country. If Meir Weinstein is as you describe I'd be glad to extend my contempt to him as well, I don't see were you somehow think that liberates Mr. Galloway.

bcglorf, you can quibble all you like. What's more telling is your deafening silence on the precious irony in having the JDL decry an outspoken member of British Parliament, on the specious charge of supporting terrorists.

Here is Meir Weinstein, who also goes by Meir Halevi, [commenting on the Cave of the Patriarchs massacre committed by party member Baruch Goldstein in Hebron,] saying "[o]ur organization does not condemn the attack. It condemns the Israeli government for not providing adequate protection for settlers."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meir_Weinstein

So the very individual in this video who is brazenly condemning Galloway for supporting terrorism, for supplying humanitarian aid to Gazans, is himself unable to condemn the terrorism committed in the name of his own organization.

There is no way to render aid to the Palestinians in Gaza but through their elected government of Hamas.

It's so ironic that the JDL is here condemning Member of British Parliament George Galloway for delivering humanitarian aid to suffering Palestinians in Gaza, when the JDL was founded by Meir Kahane, who also founded a political party, Kach, that was eventually banned from the Knesset for being a racist party.

Remember it was Baruch Goldstein, JDL member, who perpetrated the Cave of the Patriarchs Massacre at Hebron in 1994, where 179 people were gunned down, 29 of them fatally.

"If it is so clear, please tell me which part of Canada's Immigration and Refugee Protection Act clearly blocks the entry of George W. Bush?"

Lets look at the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act.

First and very important is section 33 where it states:

33. The facts that constitute inadmissibility under sections 34 to 37 include facts arising from omissions and, unless otherwise provided, include facts for which there are reasonable grounds to believe that they have occurred, are occurring or may occur.

George Bush doesn't fall under section 34 like Galloway did, he falls under section 35 which states:

35. (1) A permanent resident or a foreign national is inadmissible on grounds of violating human or international rights for

(a) committing an act outside Canada that constitutes an offence referred to in sections 4 to 7 of the Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes Act;

Bush is not exempt by the next paragraph (b) and subsequent subsection (2) of this section because he is no longer an elected senior official.

The Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes Act states in section 6:

OFFENCES OUTSIDE CANADA

Genocide, etc., committed outside Canada

6. (1) Every person who, either before or after the coming into force of this section, commits outside Canada

(a) genocide,
(b) a crime against humanity, or
(c) a war crime,

Definitions follow further in the act:

3) The definitions in this subsection apply in this section.
"crime against humanity"
«crime contre l’humanité »

"crime against humanity" means murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation, imprisonment, torture, sexual violence, persecution or any other inhumane act or omission that is committed against any civilian population or any identifiable group and that, at the time and in the place of its commission, constitutes a crime against humanity according to customary international law or conventional international law or by virtue of its being criminal according to the general principles of law recognized by the community of nations, whether or not it constitutes a contravention of the law in force at the time and in the place of its commission.

"war crime"
«crime de guerre »

"war crime" means an act or omission committed during an armed conflict that, at the time and in the place of its commission, constitutes a war crime according to customary international law or conventional international law applicable to armed conflicts, whether or not it constitutes a contravention of the law in force at the time and in the place of its commission.

>> ^qualm:
"It's the direct financial aid to Hamas president that got him barred from Canada and I'm proud my country kept the scumbag out of our country."
Liar! Galloway merely delivered a bunch of ambulances, firetrucks and medical supplies. Scumbag.


George said it himself, go read it here before calling it a lie. And for the record, George Galloway IS a proven liar.

Galloway said he personally would be donating three cars and 25,000 pounds to Hamas prime minister Ismail Haniya as he dared the West to try to prosecute him for aiding what it considers a terror group.

"It's the direct financial aid to Hamas president that got him barred from Canada and I'm proud my country kept the scumbag out of our country."

Liar! Galloway merely delivered a bunch of ambulances, firetrucks and medical supplies.

It's not about defending Mr Galloway and it's not about attacking George Bush, it's about addressing the Canadian governments blatant hypocrisy and disregard for its own laws. The Immigration and Refugee Protection Act is quite clear.


It does clearly state that material support to terrorist organizations is reason to be denied entry. Hamas is listed as a terrorist organization by Canada, and Galloway personally provided material support to Hamas.

If it is so clear, please tell me which part of Canada's Immigration and Refugee Protection Act clearly blocks the entry of George W. Bush?

>> ^SpeveO:
I'm not saying that the decision the Canadian Government made was right, but addressing the larger issue that the government is selectively interpreting the law to the whims of the presently elected leadership.
If the Canadian government applied the laws that they cited in banning George Galloway consistently, George Bush should have never made it into the country either.


George Bush, for all his other crimes, didn't provide material support to an organization the Canadian government has registered as terrorists, so the laws cited to keep Galloway out do not apply to Bush. That said, the Canadian government CAN bend the rules and allow someone in that is barred entry based on the letter of the law. For Mr. Galloway, I'm glad no such arrangements where made.

>> ^Offsajdh:
^So, because Mr.Galloway happens to have a different point of view about a conflict thousands of miles from Canadas shores, and happens to be quite skilled in making good points about why he has these beliefs through debates, the constructive solution to the problem is to ban him from ever entering the country, try to supress his oppinions in anyway possible, and add to that, threaten to monitor and investigate any Canadian who would have the audacity to want to listen to what the other side has to say about the issue?


He was kept out of Canada for providing material support to a terrorist organization. He donated 30 or 40 thousand dollars of his own money directly to the president of Hamas. That is enough under Canadian law to deny a person entry to the country.

As for your description of his 'opinions', you'd do well to better educate yourself on what he has both said and done.

He opposed both Gulf wars, in itself I'm fine with that whether I disagree or not, it's nothing special. Galloway goes much, much further though, and on Saddam's annexation of Kuwait Galloway stated that he himself believed Kuwait rightly was always a part of the Iraqi motherland. I find that far more despicable, but it still pales in comparison to even worse things he has said and done. He has declared that in spite of his opposition to both Gulf wars and statements regarding Kuwait, he still has always been the only one to consistently condemn Saddam, he just doesn't support a war to remove Saddam in spite of his own contempt for Saddam. That still is a consistent position, and aught to be respected as free speech and I do. The turn to it all is that Galloway went to Iraq to visit Saddam in person after the first gulf war and greeted him with the following speech:
"Sir, I salute your courage, your strength, your indefatigability. I can honestly say that of all the people I spoke to before coming here, hoping to meet with yourself, that every one of them wished my to express to you heartfelt support and fraternal greetings."
That speech turns all his prior statements on Iraq and Saddam into a giant charade and lie in which Galloway deliberately tried to defend Saddam not out of concern for the Iraqi people, but because of his support for Saddam himself. That is beyond my contempt. And lest you only do a surface search on Galloway's defense of that speech, he to this day defends it declaring that he was addressing the Iraqi people, and not Saddam himself. The video and words he spoke make it absolutely clear though that he was addressing Saddam himself. Unfortunately a great many people are fooled into discovering that everything he's said about Saddam is a lie because they believe the additional lies he's told to hide his first.